US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

[Jura The idiot]

who on Earth would now go for 'incredible cost savings' of a yet another joint program, LOL

 

[Air Force Brat]

The Navy and Air Force never want to work together, that isn't news. The political system has to dictate a compromise. At the very least, the services should be required to use the same newly developed engine, radar and other sensors, ECM systems, communications, etc. OR to re-use something from an existing or other platform under development (F-22, F-35, B-21).

The earlier the political system intervenes to dictate a compromise, the easier the process will be. At the moment there seems to be no coordination whatsoever, so a rough landing on the reality runway is inevitable.

"The political system intervenes to dictate a compromise", that my friend is exactly what the hell is wrong with most of our amazing aircraft and weapons systems, the "political system" is even more damn dumb than the average internet expert, even here on SDF!

They don't know "jack shit" about military equipment,,,, look at AOC and Ilhan Omar, yeah that's would be real smart to let these chicks "dictate" to the military.....

were you a little "hypoxic" when you wrote that????

and if you had a clue yourself about the Navy or the Air Force requirements for equipment, in this case a six gen fighter,, you might realize that they NEED something entirely different for their mission, hell the Navy is maintaining they don't want to have a "penetrating fighter"?? what the hell is that all about???

in fact they are suggesting letting the Air Force do that???

 

[anzha]

what the hell is that all about???

I have a suspicion the next generation of stealthy materials may not be terribly salt water compatible. If the stealthy aircraft is impossible to keep stealthy and it's one of the largest drivers of cost, what's the point?

Or so I think the Navy is thinking.

 

[Jura The idiot]

it's been the USAF going 'F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth'
(until now getting F-15X hahaha),

the USN ... well they would cancel the terrific F-35C if they could

 

[Air Force Brat]

it's been the USAF going 'F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth'
(until now getting F-15X hahaha),

the USN ... well they would cancel the terrific F-35C if they could

That's right, I've told you since day one that the Navy was NOT on board with the F-35 period, but that particular aircraft is the ONLY thing that justifies the 11-12 Carrier Naval CVN, take that boat and put those birds where they NEED to be, to get in their deep, what do you think that autonomous tanker is for anyway, its to get out there and "launch" and "retrieve" the F-35 so that they can go deep...

CVO Richardson was NOT an airpower guy, the new Dude, he's the bomb, there will be a game change at Navy, and they will use the F-35 to advantage!

Remember without the F-35C, the Ford is only the "Love Boat"!

 

[Air Force Brat]

I have a suspicion the next generation of stealthy materials may not be terribly salt water compatible. If the stealthy aircraft is impossible to keep stealthy and it's one of the largest drivers of cost, what's the point?

Or so I think the Navy is thinking.

You my Brother, are being far to Generous here, love you for being an awesome team player,, there is NO point in fielding CVN's unless you are putting those birds on deck to launch DEEP into bad guy country, NONE!

Remember Gents, its an "AIRCRAFT" carrier, we've always put the best on deck, remember WWII, when carrier aircraft weren't "top gun", we lost a lot of aircraft and pilots, even more sad we lost a LOT of aircraft carriers and sailor's because we were fielding second class airpower..

When the Hellcat and Corsair came along that STOPPED!

 

[Jura The idiot]

That's right, I've told you since day one that the Navy was NOT on board with the F-35 period, but that particular aircraft is the ONLY thing that justifies the 11-12 Carrier Naval CVN, take that boat and put those birds where they NEED to be, to get in their deep, what do you think that autonomous tanker is for anyway, its to get out there and "launch" and "retrieve" the F-35 so that they can go deep...

CVO Richardson was NOT an airpower guy, the new Dude, he's the bomb, there will be a game change at Navy, and they will use the F-35 to advantage!

Remember without the F-35C, the Ford is only the "Love Boat"!

LOL sometimes I miss 'Dislike' button, will use 'Like' instead, right after this chunk from Feb 11, 2019

if now some USN CVBG was ordered to hit, it'd start with volleys of TLAMs against radar installations and airfields in the area,

followed by the triple (Super Hornet + Growler + Hawkeye) to get wherever needed, and this wave should be able to defend itself in the air;

on the sea there would be AEGIS (TM LM) vessels, shooting SM-n missiles, presumably taking care of the hail of incoming air-threats, plus

the CVGB would be dashing at >30 knots, making it unlikely it could be attacked by Opfor subs;

in my comfortable chair I don't think it'd matter on a strategic level how close the CVGB sailed to the hostile shore (of course there'd tactical considerations though)

since we're in
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread
I add the F-35C is so delayed (originally promised for 2012 EDIT if I'm not mistaken) there's little interest in the USN to spend money on it now, while the USN struggles to keep together what I've just described above, among other things

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"Instead, the USN would conduct penetrating airstrikes against an advanced adversary with long-range standoff missiles or the mission would be deferred to the USAF, says Knappenberger."

I mean the USN wouldn't fight alone, would it

anyway it's nonsensical to say, I quote you now, Remember without the F-35C, the Ford is only the "Love Boat"!

you perhaps said this as a hyperbole, in fact F-35C aren't needed for the Ford AT ALL

and just a headline from this week:
The E/A-18G Growler electronic attack plane is about to get even more lethal

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[anzha]

You my Brother, are being far to Generous here, love you for being an awesome team player,, there is NO point in fielding CVN's unless you are putting those birds on deck to launch DEEP into bad guy country, NONE!

There are other ways to go on the offensive than just stealth. It is definitely the better way, to be sure. However, it comes at a high price tag, especially and quietly, for maintenance.

Consider the scenario where 5th gen aircraft take off, launch a wave of very long standoff hypersonic missiles, then retire. The next wave is a massive number of attritable UAVs while the manned aircraft are rearming. Then that wave comes back while the manned aircraft go back in with Loyal Wingman style UAVs in tow. This is better with stealth, but...

If the Navy were serious about packing the decks with UAVs, then I could definitely see a way how to be effective against China et al. However, the airdales did their damnedest to defang UCLASS and are only grudgingly accepting the MQ-25.

I was just trying to say there is a case for less stealth, but not that I agree with the idea.

 

[Jura The idiot]

There are other ways to go on the offensive than just stealth. It is definitely the better way, to be sure. However, it comes at a high price tag, especially and quietly, for maintenance.

Consider the scenario where 5th gen aircraft take off, launch a wave of very long standoff hypersonic missiles, then retire. The next wave is a massive number of attritable UAVs while the manned aircraft are rearming. Then that wave comes back while the manned aircraft go back in with Loyal Wingman style UAVs in tow. This is better with stealth, but...

If the Navy were serious about packing the decks with UAVs, then I could definitely see a way how to be effective against China et al. However, the airdales did their damnedest to defang UCLASS and are only grudgingly accepting the MQ-25.

I was just trying to say there is a case for less stealth, but not that I agree with the idea.

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[Air Force Brat]

LOL sometimes I miss 'Dislike' button, will use 'Like' instead, right after this chunk from Feb 11, 2019

yes, you or I would prolly be "top dog" in the dislikes column, LOL people just love guys that "speak the their mind"!

plus now add (from

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"Instead, the USN would conduct penetrating airstrikes against an advanced adversary with long-range standoff missiles or the mission would be deferred to the USAF, says Knappenberger."

I mean the USN wouldn't fight alone, would it

anyway it's nonsensical to say, I quote you now, Remember without the F-35C, the Ford is only the "Love Boat"!

you perhaps said this as a hyperbole, in fact F-35C aren't needed for the Ford AT ALL

only in your WW1 mind Bub, the Ford without the F-35C is the LOVE BOAT, yeah, you can launch cruise missles, and they are very cost effective, but they are also at the mercy of an effective air defense system, really, against near peers, they would have a much higher loss rate than the F-35... it is stealthy, it does take down "Nasty, Nasty, air defenses better than any other aircraft",,, if you want to pretend the "Growler" will protect all those 4 Gens you keep on dreamin brother, I wish I could live in your world and believe that fairly tale.... or?? oh yeah, let the Air Force do it, that doesn't sound like any Naval Aviator I ever met!


and just a headline from this week:
The E/A-18G Growler electronic attack plane is about to get even more lethal

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Growlers are great, but if they would do it all, the US would NOT have spent all that money on the F-35, lots of folks, with a lot higher IQ than either of us, made an excellent decision to build and field this amazing airplane....

but, if you want to play make believe, and pretend you are at IQ 170+++ be my guest sir,,, but you lack a proper perspective of air and sea power,,,

Damn Straight, it will be the LOVE BOAT with out a 5 Gen for air cover to start, but folks have to be reminded what an aircraft carrier actually does, they seem to think its just a cute boat with lots of room on top, and some airplanes to make it look pretty....

better yet, why don't you ask the Dude who knows more about aircraft carriers and their role than you or I could ever dream of knowing, ask BD popeye, might want to pm him Bub, wouldn't want you to be embarrassed by the "straight skinny".... I wish you did have a dislike button.... I am smirking, a very large smirk.....