US equipment from the eyes of an infantryman
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Concerning the small arms ammunition, does anyone know if the Chinese 5.8mm round is in fact 5.8mm's, or is it 5.5mm (.22 of an inch), along with other rounds such as the 5.56mm NATO?
Also, is the measurement of the bullet taken from the groove, or the land, of the barrel?
As for the 5.56mm's stopping power, it is not really the case that it is low. The 5.56mm round came from the theory of combat taking place at distances of less than 300m's, with the vast majority being at 100m's or below, and so it is not surprising that the bullet should lack "stopping power", at greater distances. For its designed use, it is most effective. From a full length rifle barrel of 20-21 inches, the round will have sufficient velocity to fragment on yawing in flesh, at distances of 100-150m's. Such fragmentation causes extremely large temporary wound cavities, enough to just about garuntee incapacitate whomever is hit. Also, given that the 5.56mm M855 NATO round is semi-armour piercing FMJ, it penetrates more steel than 7.62mm NATO.
Also, is the measurement of the bullet taken from the groove, or the land, of the barrel?
As for the 5.56mm's stopping power, it is not really the case that it is low. The 5.56mm round came from the theory of combat taking place at distances of less than 300m's, with the vast majority being at 100m's or below, and so it is not surprising that the bullet should lack "stopping power", at greater distances. For its designed use, it is most effective. From a full length rifle barrel of 20-21 inches, the round will have sufficient velocity to fragment on yawing in flesh, at distances of 100-150m's. Such fragmentation causes extremely large temporary wound cavities, enough to just about garuntee incapacitate whomever is hit. Also, given that the 5.56mm M855 NATO round is semi-armour piercing FMJ, it penetrates more steel than 7.62mm NATO.
Interesting.
What does IED stand for?
Does anyone know if the mentioned kevlar suits are the Chinese made suits?
The way the insurgents sprays looks rather funny to me on video.
F-14s and .45s back? That's.............. amazing...
The .22 round was never too good anyways.
It was a frag-round, so penetration is definitely minimal, not to mention the hole. It just don't have the energy/momentum.
I'd choose the .30 myself.
XM8 out?! No way.
What does IED stand for?
Does anyone know if the mentioned kevlar suits are the Chinese made suits?
The way the insurgents sprays looks rather funny to me on video.
F-14s and .45s back? That's.............. amazing...
The .22 round was never too good anyways.
It was a frag-round, so penetration is definitely minimal, not to mention the hole. It just don't have the energy/momentum.
I'd choose the .30 myself.
XM8 out?! No way.
BrotherofSnake
Junior Member
IED stands for Improvised Explosive Device and the new body armor mentioned in the article above is probably the Interceptor, which can easily stop rounds fired from an AK-47. That thing saved a lot of American lives over in Iraq and A-stan.
I've read that soldiers in A-stan love the M-14 because it can easily tear people apart at ridiculously long ranges.
Switching back to 45 caliber is a mistake in my opinion. The 45 has less range, more recoil and is more expensive than 9mm, and since it's a low velocity round, it's useless against an armored target.
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MIGleader
Banned Idiot
BrotherofSnake said:
the enemy soldiers in iraq and afghanistan were smart, and took face shots at u.s soldiers, so all body armor did was to change the target of the insurgent. and it doesnt do much good against a car bomb.
as for the 45 caliber, its more powerful than a 9mm is used in the right gun. but i wish they had the 44 magnum...i guess u.s soldiers just love bigger bullets. boys will be boys.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
first This artical has no relation ship to a Real military writer.sumdud said:
Second The XM8 is Frozen. The Army got in to trouble because Colt ( who still claims to own the M16 M4 patents ) started trouble. so the army opened up competition but the caliber debate and a number of M16 mods made the issue more complex to the point where HK introduced a New weapon system Called the which is is the the highest quality modification one can do to a M16. new gas system new mag well new mag new sights new barrel new Rails. it's a whole new standard. so The XM8 on the back burner Waiting for the disition on wether to change rounds and then what rounds to chose 6.8 or 6.5 and then on wether the Army wants to Really scrap M16 or if it should tell Colt where it can stick it's pattents and tell HK to rename the 416 the M16A5/6 and M4A5/6 or how ever they would work it.