US conflict in the Americas

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Minm

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That's not the way it works.
A PLA base in Venezuela would mean nothing unless the PRC was willing to go to war over Venezuela. Otherwise what happens at best is that any notional PLA base just gets bypassed, or they offer a token resistance, and neutralized, and it is in the PRC court as to whether they want to escalate.




Again, that's not the way any of this works. The US resolve and capability to mess with Venezuela is many times greater than the PRC interest and capability to actually defend Venezuela.


Basic geopolitics.
The side with greater function of "resolve x capability" will ultimately prevail. It is when both sides have (or believe they have) similar "resolve x capability" is when things get dicey and you see conflict.
No, that's not how it works. Learn some history. The soviet union could support allies around the world with minimal effort just by placing troops or advisors in the right places so that any attack on an ally would have to kill Soviet citizens. China is just unwilling to do that. Which is a shame
 

zyklon

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How is it even possible for a country possessing thousands of Igla to be unable to hit a single numerous low-flying chinooks above the.. capital? I'm aware these aircraft in particular have more extensive countermeasures like DIRCM but... seems off..

The US had a $50 million bounty on Maduro. Some Venezuelan officials definitely got paid to "cooperate."

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Blitzo

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No, that's not how it works. Learn some history. The soviet union could support allies around the world with minimal effort just by placing troops or advisors in the right places so that any attack on an ally would have to kill Soviet citizens. China is just unwilling to do that. Which is a shame

That's because that was the Cold War and the US and USSR were in a relationship where outright hostility had the risk of escalation to nuclear exchange that was credible.
You are the one who needs to learn some history because the idea that the PRC would be willing to enter such a state of affairs on behalf of a nation like Venezuela is silly.

"China is just unwilling to do that" should be translated to "China is willing to risk the fate of the world for random, strategically inconsequential states halfway around the world". It is not something to be described as "just". Such an action would not be minor, if the PRC wanted it to be considered credible in the way you describe.
 

Sierra

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No, that's not how it works. Learn some history. The soviet union could support allies around the world with minimal effort just by placing troops or advisors in the right places so that any attack on an ally would have to kill Soviet citizens. China is just unwilling to do that. Which is a shame
And how did that work out for them, we all know.

The main reason for this is after the 14th NC, no PLA officers/Vets have served on the PSC. Jiang Zemin in 1989 oversaw this transition, with the last military figure, Liu Huaqing retiring from the PSC in 1997 during the 15th CC.

Such "rules" exist because CPC has no ambitions of Global Military Dominance unlike USSR which you seem think they have. It is completely different to "World Class Military" capable of defending China and her interests.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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No, that's not how it works. Learn some history. The soviet union could support allies around the world with minimal effort just by placing troops or advisors in the right places so that any attack on an ally would have to kill Soviet citizens. China is just unwilling to do that. Which is a shame

And? Has that ever deterred the US from engaging in wars against Soviet interests that were seen to be threathening US interests around the world during the Cold War, whether that be done through proxy (e.g. Afghanistan) or being directly involved (e.g. Vietnam)? Has that ever resulted in the USSR going to outright war with the US just because there were plenty of Soviet nationals that were killed in countries where proxy wars between these two superpowers occured during the Cold War?

Seems like you're the one who needs to relearn history. Cold War isn't as simple and clear-cut as many ought to think/believe. There are plenty of dark and dirty stuffs being done on both sides of the Iron Curtain by both sides that we the public didn't know until after the Cold War and still didn't know about today.
 
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