UN approves of Japan's EEZ claim around Okinotorishima

Lion

Senior Member
I crunched some numbers in regards to the fleet size comparison between China and Japan. It surprised how powerful the "Self Defense Force" was. They are even bigger than the USN presence in the Western Pacific.

At this stage, since both China and Japan don't have super-large service combatants, the most powerful vessels are the destroyers. (Helicopters don't count, they are only good for ASW, service ships can easily knock them down).

Japan currently has 23 destroyer class ships that are above 6000 tons (full load), with 3 more currently being built. On the other hand, China only has 18 in service with more on the way. Although China is catching up quickly in terms of numbers, but the tonnage of the new 052C's are still really small compared to the Atagos and Kongos. The highest prediction of 052C's tonnage is about 7500 tons, but Kongo is 9500 and Atago 10000+, probably close to 11000 tons.

China should really launch its new generation of ships.

You seems to forget the included the 054A frigate...
 
Seems like the constant exaggeration of 'the China threat' has had an effect even on the informed members of this forum as to China's military capabilities, one wonders how much the average person might be affected.

China's military power has seen dramatic improvement compared to its completely obsolete self which lasted through the early 2000s. It is now capable of competently defending the country, by this I mean it can pose sufficient risk of unacceptable costs to potential attackers, NOT that China will definitely win a war in which it is attacked.

In terms of overall military capabilities especially in offensive operations, China is very weak relative to other industrializing and industrialized countries (such as those of South Korea, Japan, India, Western Europe, Russia, Israel, South Africa... etc.). China's military prowess is even lesser if you measure it on a per capita basis and compare it to that of other countries.

The military capability China possesses right now is the bare minimum to deter anyone from attacking it, including being ganged up on. The Chinese military has a long ways to go before being capable of something like the PLAN going toe-to-toe with the JMSDF and having a chance of winning.
 

muddie

Junior Member
"China is very weak relative to other industrializing and industrialized countries (such as those of South Korea, Japan, India, Western Europe, Russia, Israel, South Africa... etc.)"

Judging from what you have said, I would say that you are a fan boy (most likely Japanese) trying to troll this forum. There is no point arguing with you.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Seems like the constant exaggeration of 'the China threat' has had an effect even on the informed members of this forum as to China's military capabilities, one wonders how much the average person might be affected.

China's military power has seen dramatic improvement compared to its completely obsolete self which lasted through the early 2000s. It is now capable of competently defending the country, by this I mean it can pose sufficient risk of unacceptable costs to potential attackers, NOT that China will definitely win a war in which it is attacked.

In terms of overall military capabilities especially in offensive operations, China is very weak relative to other industrializing and industrialized countries (such as those of South Korea, Japan, India, Western Europe, Russia, Israel, South Africa... etc.). China's military prowess is even lesser if you measure it on a per capita basis and compare it to that of other countries.

The military capability China possesses right now is the bare minimum to deter anyone from attacking it, including being ganged up on. The Chinese military has a long ways to go before being capable of something like the PLAN going toe-to-toe with the JMSDF and having a chance of winning.

What are you smoking ? must be very strong
 
"China is very weak relative to other industrializing and industrialized countries (such as those of South Korea, Japan, India, Western Europe, Russia, Israel, South Africa... etc.)"

Judging from what you have said, I would say that you are a fan boy (most likely Japanese) trying to troll this forum. There is no point arguing with you.

No need to get oversensitive or presumptous, I'm just sharing an opinion which I think is a grounded reality check for both overenthusiastic PLA fans as well as China threat proponents.
 

solarz

Brigadier
No need to get oversensitive or presumptous, I'm just sharing an opinion which I think is a grounded reality check for both overenthusiastic PLA fans as well as China threat proponents.

I don't know, that sounds more like a description of the PLA in the early 2000's. Things have changed in the last 12 years.
 

muddie

Junior Member
I agree that the China Threat is over hyped by the US media. But claiming China is weak to INDUSTRIALIZED countries and specifically listing out South Africa, Israel, India ect... is an obvious sign that you are trolling. India is a prime example for being NOT industrialized.
You are also suggesting that PLAN is weaker (especially now) than JMSDF which is a key indicator that you are trying to push for a heated controversial argument on this thread.
I'm not being oversensitive, but you are directly comparing country to country (which is banned on this forum) and listing specific examples of which some are not even comparable.
 

Quickie

Colonel
I don't know, that sounds more like a description of the PLA in the early 2000's. Things have changed in the last 12 years.

More like a description of PLA in the early 1950s. Even then China still managed to win wars with the ingenious use of what military hardware they had.
 
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