Ukrainian War Developments

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Yeah, there are going to be a lot of Darwin awards being given out this year.


Yeah, thats what I was thinking.

Chechens have a much bigger impact on this war then their deployment numbers. Both sides media reports talk about them. On the Russian side they are a big boost for the Russian groups who fight along them, and Ukrainians have been fleeing positions when they hear the Chechens are coming.

The PLA should have Uyghur battalions on similar lines.
During WW2, Hui Muslim Chinese units from the Ma Clique were some of the only Chinese units that were effective at resisting the Japanese advance during the early parts of the war.
 

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I would imagine the order of difficulty for Russian operational forces in the north and east should be something like this:

EASIEST
Surround Chernihiv
Surround Sumy

EASIER
Take Chernihiv
Take Sumy

HARDER
Surround Kharkhiv

EVEN HARDER
Take Kharkiv
Surround Kiev

HARDEST
Take Kiev

The fact that they have not been able to achieve the "easiest" on the list suggests that they are completely stalled out. Where exactly is the Russian advantage?

- According to reports a substantial majority of the Ukrainian air force is still active
- Ukrainian command & control is still active
- Anti-tank and Anti-armor weapons are pouring into Ukraine
- Ukrainian anti-aircraft is still active
- The US is providing Ukraine intelligence on Russian communications & movements within 30-60 minutes
- Russia didn't commit enough troops for a decisive manpower advantage
- Russians are less familiar with the local terrain & the local population are hostile

After considering all these factors, I don't see where Russia has any advantage left. It seems that this is ready to settle into WWI-style trench warfare. IMO unless there is something shocking factor that we don't know about, Russia should focus on completing the 'easy' tasks like sieging Chernihiv rather than trying to take Kiev. But the main thing is that Russia has to prepare for a medium to longer term war.
I don't agree with the order of your list at all, nor most of your points.

The Russian advance does seem to have stalled out today more than any other.

I can understand why, but I still think it's a mistake that Kiev has not been taken yet. Announce a 24 hour ceasefire & humanitarian corridor for remaining civilians to get out, then hit it with everything you've got them to surrender. If not, send in the Chechens to mop up whats left.
 

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I don't agree with the order of your list at all, nor most of your points.

The Russian advance does seem to have stalled out today more than any other.

I can understand why, but I still think it's a mistake that Kiev has not been taken yet. Announce a 24 hour ceasefire & humanitarian corridor for remaining civilians to get out, then hit it with everything you've got them to surrender. If not, send in the Chechens to mop up whats left.
The fact that the user ordered those "objectives" like levels in a video game is more than enough to indicate that they don't even have a general understanding of military history at all. War isn't a video game. The difficulty of the battles don't just linearly scale up. Frankly speaking, I personally wouldnt take that user's opinion seriously if I were in your position.
 

RedMetalSeadramon

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India picks out names from a list of Chinese generals on Wikipedia to name Chinese they claim they killed in the border disputes with China. How hard it it to find real sounding names?
I assume they're aimed towards western media, or just lazy since a simple phone call from the embassy would quickly kill the story.
 

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"Ukrainian drone enthusiasts sign up to repel Russian forces"

"“Kyiv needs you and your drone at this moment of fury!” read a Facebook post late last week from the Ukrainian military,
calling for citizens to donate hobby drones and to volunteer as experienced pilots to operate them.

One entrepreneur who runs a retail store selling consumer drones in the capital said its entire stock of some 300 drones
made by Chinese company DJI has been dispersed for the cause. Others are working to get more drones across the border
from friends and colleagues in Poland and elsewhere in Europe."

"Unlike the much larger Turkish-built combat drones that Ukraine has in its arsenal, off-the-shelf consumer drones aren’t
much use as weapons — but they can be powerful reconnaissance tools. Civilians have been using the aerial cameras to
track Russian convoys and then relay the images and GPS coordinates to Ukrainian troops. Some of the machines have
night vision and heat sensors.

But there's a downside: DJI, the leading provider of consumer drones in Ukraine and around the world, can easily pinpoint
the location of an inexperienced drone operator, and no one really knows what the Chinese firm might do with that data.
That makes some volunteers uneasy. DJI declined to discuss specifics about how it has responded to the war."

"Taras Troiak, a dealer of DJI drones who started the Kyiv retail store, said DJI has been sending mixed signals about whether
it's providing preferential access to — or disabling — its drone detection platform AeroScope, which both sides of the conflict
can potentially use to monitor the other's flight paths and the communication links between a drone and the device that's
controlling it. In the meantime, Ukrainian drone experts said they've been doing whatever they can to teach operators how
to protect their whereabouts."

"Ukraine has a thriving community of drone experts, some of whom were educated at the National Aviation University
or the nearby Kyiv Polytechnic University and went on to found local drone and robotics startups."

"Some in Ukraine's drone community already have experience deploying their expertise in conflict zones because of the
country's long-running conflict with Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine. Monnik's firm, DroneSec, has tracked
multiple instances just in the past year of both sides of that conflict arming small drones with explosives. One thing that
Ukrainians said they've learned is that small quadcopter drones, such as those sold at stores, are rarely effective at hitting
a target with explosive payloads."

"DJI also has experience in responding to warfighters trying to weaponize its drones and used so-called “geofencing”
technology to block drone movements during conflicts in Syria and Iraq. It's not clear yet if it will do the same in Ukraine;
even if it does, there are ways to work around it."
 

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I assume they're aimed towards western media, or just lazy since a simple phone call from the embassy would quickly kill the story.
The default Western media presumption would be that a Chinese Embassy is lying unless proven otherwise through Western sources.
 

AssassinsMace

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I wouldn't be surprised if the three Chinese they say were killed were named Sum Ting Wong Number 1, Sum Ting Wong Number 2, and Sum Ting Wong Number 3. That's how the US named Chinese immigrating to the US. My mother when she came to the US did not get to pick her American name. US officials picked her name and a whole lot of Chinese women then were given the exact same name.
 
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