Ukrainian War Developments

siegecrossbow said:

I am baffled by Russia's decision to go balls deep in Ukraine. Is it satisfying to do it? Heck yes. But as @MarKoz81 has noted in his excellent analysis, the best case scenario for Russia is to become a nuclear equipped henchman of the PRC. Is it really worth it for Putin to go all in and jeopardize Russia's hope for greatness?

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It was surprising to me too. I was hoping Russia would find a way out of this conundrum without triggering the invasion.

However, I think the US is to blame here. The day before Russia pulled the trigger, the US sanctioned the Nord Stream pipeline. I think that was the final straw. Russia didn't want to invade, but was forced to because of that move. They had to at least secure their South Western flank if their 'plan A' failed.

The key thing I'm looking at now is Europe's response. The word is that the EU is dragging its feet already on imposing sanctions. I'm hoping Germany sabotages the sanctions regime. If that works, Russia would be able to salvage its strategy of fracturing NATO, and it may even accelerate the fracturing.

p.s. I just quoted this article to @asif iqbal, it provides context. I've been following this drama for a decade now. Chomsky has been warning about this since 2008, when Bush first tried to get Ukraine inducted in NATO. The US has been pushing Russia to the limit and it forced it into this box:

I means 48 hours in and Russians still not taken Kiev

were the Russians over estimated ?

NATO would make mince meat of Russians

Overbom said:

Low effort. Either explain or you are just trolling

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OK - I'll keep it simple for yous.

How long can an average Overbom keep without sleep at least 500+ km from home under real fire in an a territory that wants to kill you?

What's your answer?

James may be the only one here who gets this, but...

james smith esq said:

This is actually active engagement in this conflict. China will not allow this manner of activity/interference during any active Taiwan contingency!

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The US always makes this move. On a Turkish forum about a month ago, commentators who were mostly Turkish were furious when Turkey was doing a drone operation in Syria, but the operation was not successful because the US sent drones into the same place where the Turkish operation in Syria would be carried out, in an attempt to force the Turks to retreat in the operation.

Regarding China, for sure. If there is a contingency in Taiwan, the Chinese will make a no-fly zone, if the Americans don't want their drones shot down, they will keep the operation in a safe area away from that no-fly zone.

Overbom said:

True. Its really bizarre the lack of drones here. They would have saved themselves so much trouble and made everything so much smoother if they had drones.

Another proof why protectionism isn't good (should had bought them from China)

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Drone on overwatch would also make urban warfare easier by accurately removing enemy strong points with minimal collateral damage. Not only this, but for the enemy, watching your troops getting erased on a TV screen like this is absolutely demoralizing.

Bellum_Romanum said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t15yo3

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Incredible post. Didn't know that reddit still had such quality posts

asif iqbal said:

I means 48 hours in and Russians still not taken Kiev

were the Russians over estimated ?

NATO would make mince meat of Russians

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did it take NATO longer to take over kosovo or afghanistan?

I hope that I’m speaking for all of the adults, here, when I say:



for doing the Lions’ Share of keeping this thread informed with timely updates of actions on the ground and in the Diplomatic Arena!

asif iqbal said:

I means 48 hours in and Russians still not taken Kiev

were the Russians over estimated ?

NATO would make mince meat of Russians

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Ok you're clearly just triggered and trolling. Stop virtue-signaling and understand what's actually happening.

There is no time-limit on taking Kiev. The Russians have it practically under siege. But you don't rush in armor into an urban environment. Ukraine has no actual military solutions at this point except fighting in the streets, and the Russians clearly want to avoid destroying the city.

As for NATO making 'mince meat' of anything, most nations of NATO barely even have a military.