Ukrainian War Developments

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Mr T

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The life without oil and gas is like the pure comunism, no one seen it real life, only in propaganda
No one said no oil and gas at all. But net zero requires shifting to electric-powered vehicles and heating/lighting provided by sources other than oil and gas. That probably means a combination of nuclear, solar wind, tidal, biomass and hyrdo-electric for electricity. Renewables can have varied generation, but with a combination of batteries and a baseline sufficient amount can be produced.

Heat source pumps and/or electricity for heating.

More importantly, if you say it's impossible for the world to give up its dependency on oil and gas, are you saying that severe climate change is inevitable, or that magically it won't happen? Because the scientific community is quite sure it will happen if we don't hit net zero by 2050 - and those are the more optimistic ones. And China will be affected very badly along with the rest of the world.

I don't want to waste my time for other parts of your trolling, but regards of Georgia, even the NATO doesn't share your view.
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NATO is not quoted in that article, and it was published by euronews, which is a French-based news organisation.
 

Anlsvrthng

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No one said no oil and gas at all. But net zero requires shifting to electric-powered vehicles and heating/lighting provided by sources other than oil and gas. That probably means a combination of nuclear, solar wind, tidal, biomass and hyrdo-electric for electricity. Renewables can have varied generation, but with a combination of batteries and a baseline sufficient amount can be produced.

Heat source pumps and/or electricity for heating.

More importantly, if you say it's impossible for the world to give up its dependency on oil and gas, are you saying that severe climate change is inevitable, or that magically it won't happen? Because the scientific community is quite sure it will happen if we don't hit net zero by 2050 - and those are the more optimistic ones. And China will be affected very badly along with the rest of the world.


NATO is not quoted in that article, and it was published by euronews, which is a French-based news organisation.
Global warming better than freezing in the winter.

In the payout matrix the clowns on the top thinks that the global warming is bigger threat than to waste the resources to harvest low energy density, unpredictible sources, instead to invest into nuclear directly.


Battery won't play, you can't run a whole continent on batteries for weeks during december.

And nuclear + win/solar won't play as well, it cost several times more than simply nuclear.

You have to match with a very high investment nuclear reactor the wind/solar full capacity. Means it is cheaper to run the nuclear without wind/solar.


Regards of Georgia, it was the result of 5 sec google, I suggest to contionue it.
 

Janiz

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So does the US. Yet Russia is actually investing in these things unlike what you say. For example they are renewing their school and hospital park. The Moscow metro has had a massive expansion as well. Their federal government has dumped loads of money into improving road infrastructure and building new bridges. They have been doing this for like a decade already.

Russia's economy is much less reliant on energy sales than other oil exporting nations. Saudi Arabia tried to break Russia's economy with their supposedly cheaper to extract oil and failed. Precisely because Russia does not depend on just oil. They can feed themselves unlike Saudi Arabia. They have a real economy. The fact is Russia does not import a whole lot of stuff to begin with. They are mostly self reliant. In case of a crash of exports they can still survive fine.
Oh wow, Russia is really a great country. Why aren't you mentioning things like HIV, alcoholism, process of declining population which started recently, laughable life expectancy at birth by the Western standards, corruption, overall poverty outside of the biggest cities, old or lack of infrastructure, widening gap in wealth between the old Soviet block countries which joined EU and NATO and Russia in the past 30 years etc to paint the whole picture?

Yes, the famous Russian trolls started an offensive in the recent days because of the Ukraine situation and everybody should be aware of that.

And here's the biggest troll of all of them - a NATO member :)

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It seems like they don't care about 'Europe' as a whole as long as they can get the gas pipes from Russia running. And they want to build an 'EU state' under their command which is laughable and will collapse all of their plans in the future if they will behaving like that for too long with France taking the main seat. And all of that happens in the cycles of weak US administrations which Russia exploits without any problem.
Regards of Georgia, it was the result of 5 sec google, I suggest to contionue it.
Georgia lost some territories but won as a country if you look how their economy grew after 2008...
 

Anlsvrthng

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Georgia lost some territories but won as a country if you look how their economy grew after 2008...
It is approx half of the Russian PPP. Or you ,mean compared to Ukraine ?

Both of them get lot of .


Poland / Hungary / Slovakia reached the pre 90s level after 2012. Can't say it is an achivement.

And I suggest to use the fertility rate as a general wellbeing indicator. the GDP and even the PPP GDP make uncrealistic picutre about the average wealth of the population.
 

Janiz

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It is approx half of the Russian PPP. Or you ,mean compared to Ukraine ?
And the difference in both countries PPP closed between or widened in the 2008-2020? Maybe now it's half but it used to be 25-30% back then?
Poland / Hungary / Slovakia reached the pre 90s level after 2012. Can't say it is an achivement.
Level of what? For sure average Joes in those countries are far better off compared to their Russian counterparts.
the GDP and even the PPP GDP make uncrealistic picutre about the average wealth of the population.
Sure.
 

gelgoog

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Oh wow, Russia is really a great country. Why aren't you mentioning things like HIV, alcoholism, process of declining population which started recently, laughable life expectancy at birth by the Western standards, corruption, overall poverty outside of the biggest cities, old or lack of infrastructure, widening gap in wealth between the old Soviet block countries which joined EU and NATO and Russia in the past 30 years etc to paint the whole picture?

HIV is still a major problem.

Alcoholism and life expectancy have improved dramatically compared to the situation in the 1990s and 2000s.
Life expectancy used to be 65 years and now it is 73 years. Life expectancy is at the historically highest level it has ever been in Russia. Surpassing the Soviet period.

Corruption is much less than in the 1990s. You no longer see cops asking for bribes. Corporations pay taxes. Corporations which do not pay salaries get prosecuted.

There has been a massive investment into infrastructure. Examples would be the Kerch Strait Bridge or the Moscow Metro extension. There have been major interventions on roads. Just try looking at pictures of the M7 or M5 highway for example.
 

sheogorath

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Putting Poland, Hungary and the Baltics as example of anything is terribly amusing considering how every other EU member considers them backwater shitholes of Europe only good for cheap labor and tax evasion and nazis.
 
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