Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.

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Numerous Russian and Novorussian sources are now reporting large tank movements towards key Novorussian cities. There has also been massive shelling by Ukrainian artillery of Novorussian cities.
Poroshenko will sign tomorrow a 4th mobilization which this time will include women.
George Soros is visiting the Ukraine.

And jeeps bound for Ukraine moving thru Bulgaria.

Novorussia reports tactical missiles being brought into range of militia held cities.


Mass Media: Fighters of Armoured Forces of Ukraine are bringing up Tochka-U to Donetsk and Gorlovka
on: January 14, 2015
According to the report in the group in Kontakt South-East! Enoty! Appeared the information concerning bringing up of powerful technique by the punitives of UAF to the capital of the DPR.

‘In regard to the Intelligence, the enemy has brought up about 20 Tochka-U to Donetsk and Gorlovka and plans to use them against civilians and vital infrastructures of the cities since 15 to 20 January.

You probably heard about this sad news from Eastern Ukraine?



This video leaves no doubts that those people were killed by Separatist's GRAD shelling of Ukranian positions.

Janiz said:

You probably heard about this sad news from Eastern Ukraine?

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This video leaves no doubts that those people were killed by Separatist's GRAD shelling of Ukranian positions.

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What the video clearly shows is a Grad strike quite a distance from where the bus was and we actually see quite a few vehicles very close to the strike zone get through without apparent harm.
It is curious that the video runs on for quite a bit a high speed before turning nearly 180 degrees to show the bus and that it and whatever hit it really are wholly separated by a very considerable distance from the area where the rest of the missiles landed.
What a pity there is no sound on the video as that may have been quite instructive.

The NAF have said that the shrapnel pattern is more consistent with an anti tank mine than a grad. Cannot comment on that as not an expert of shrapnel dispersion patterns. I am however aware of the use of anti tank mines as perimeter defence weapons (above ground with trip wires as opposed to buried) and it is not inconceivable that the shock of the bombardment affected a tripwire and enabled the vibration of a passing bus to detonate the charge attached to it.

I am also extra wary of accusations coming out of Kiev at present. We know that there are moves with the EU and Russia to calm things down and that there are some who would wish to derail such an outcome.
That is also a Government, the Prime Minister of which, has this week, claimed that the USSR started WW2 by invading the Ukraine and Germany, so credibility from that direction is well into negative figures!

pla101prc said:

any updates on the airport battle sampan? according to western sources there have been a gradual intensification of hostility, up to a level not seen since september's ceasefire. are DPR and LPR adequately prepared for an escalation? I keep hearing Ukraine army receiving new tanks and helicopters, but not much info has been revealed online about the progress of NAF armament endeavours.

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You mean the Ceasefire that never was a Ceasefire?
I have been too busy with work over the last few months to properly keep an eye on the ball, but it seems there has been a lot of sound and thunder but very little actual movement on the ground. I understand though that the Control Tower at Donetsk Airport has been brought down by NAF artillery fire.

Now however it is also true that both Catholic and Orthodox Christmas are finished and it does seem as though both sides are bulking up for a new offensive period.

Sampan, you can use whatever gymnastics you like to prove your point (yeah, I've seen many pro-Russian in the Internet with their blah blah about the mine earlier) when it's all clear and videotaped. You can clearly see a shadow of a smoke pillar at around 0:26 on the video I posted. The pattern of GRAD is exactly as you see it - it's a circle with a radius of around 0,5+ km, you don't need an expert when you could see it with your own eyes. Other vehicles are just lucky. And yes, Separatists were fast enough to announce that they bombarded the area in the social media. Of course later on they deleted all of that but once you post something in the Internet - you'll never be able to erease it. And people took screenshots of that.

The pattern of Grad is exactly as the video shows it; a good distance away from the bus. There is smoke at 26 seconds on the video, the critical thing however is that there is no crater next to the bus or in the centre of the soot covered snow adjacent to it.
I have also seen the graphic aftermath video that went inside and around the perimeter of the bus and again there was no crater next to the bus, although the camera went out and filmed the area where it should have been. There was however a broken and burning tree.

So this is a grad that lands several hundred yards away from the rest of the strike and does not leave a crater. How exactly does this work?

With regards to that attack on the bus, here are other reports to consider since the OSCE has not make a statement on the outcome of their investigation.


(Link edited as it contains graphic video. You can read the article from Russia Insider.)
There was also a peculiar rectangular hole in the ground that Kiev forces claimed as the impact point of a Grad rocket.

Here is Cassad's article that rebuts the video that Kiev produced to claim that it was a Grad strike. An eye witness claimed that the strike was earlier and there were no damaged caused, and there was no bus then.

"Today went to Donetsk.Returning about 13.00 on Mariupol.Tormoznuli dnrovtsy before Elenovkoy.Ne puskali.Stoyalo 4 avtobusa.Proehali grads from Donetsk to Elenovku.Propustili buses somewhere in 1,5 hours .Videla fresh craters near Volnovakha posta.No unit in the field, neatly, checkerboard poryadke.A none. And no one funnel on the road. No broken bus, not a single bat machine. On the route Donetsk Marik was not nothing broken and no one killed."

Another of Cassad's article showed metal shaped bearings on the steps of the bus and which are those used to pack claymore mines.
I can't put that link here as there's a photo of dead passengers. You can see it from Cassad as well as his analysis of what hit the bus.

SampanViking said:

The pattern of Grad is exactly as the video shows it; a good distance away from the bus. There is smoke at 26 seconds on the video, the critical thing however is that there is no crater next to the bus or in the centre of the soot covered snow adjacent to it.
I have also seen the graphic aftermath video that went inside and around the perimeter of the bus and again there was no crater next to the bus, although the camera went out and filmed the area where it should have been. There was however a broken and burning tree.

So this is a grad that lands several hundred yards away from the rest of the strike and does not leave a crater. How exactly does this work?

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SampanViking, in your preceding post you said you were busy lately, so I call to your attention:

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which is a screenshot I just made from the graphic video available for example from the site "Cassad" since Tuesday afternoon -- the first video in
-- showing the point of impact (should show


2. the OSCE spot-report from yesterday



Both points certainly can lead to numerous Conspiracy Theories, that's why I'm informing two more SDF Moderators and hope any of you guys would take action if some baloney was posted related to that attack.

SampanViking said:

The pattern of Grad is exactly as the video shows it; a good distance away from the bus. There is smoke at 26 seconds on the video, the critical thing however is that there is no crater next to the bus or in the centre of the soot covered snow adjacent to it.

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There was a crater near the bus. A single deep hole in the grund. That's what it does - a nice hole with the diameter of the missile. It's not 5m diameter 2m deep hole in the ground like you see in your usual WWII movie. And I haven't seen burning tree there. Only branches of the tree shattered by the splinters from the explosion in random positions.

SampanViking said:

So this is a grad that lands several hundred yards away from the rest of the strike and does not leave a crater. How exactly does this work?

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It works in batteries - you have multiple BM-21's grouped and not pointed at the same point but covering an area where it's supposed to fall. You wrote that's impossible for a single one of them landing so far - well now I'll post a longer version of this video where you can see the opposite side of the road with other projctiles landing there (you can see smoke from explosions to the left side of the camera earlier in that video). You can see it from 3:05 in the video. Time for new set of instructions probably.