Well, I could understand Russia's standpoint that you presented but Russia isn't a superpower by any means like they used to in the times of Warsaw Pact. That's the point - the world changed and they're using this rhetorics of 'being attacked' while not a single bullet was fired in the direction of Russia by any country which could directly grab some of it's territory and Russia continues with all kinds of 'preventive' wars outside of it's borders. Isn't it the time to move on and stop acting like USSR just because they have some nuclear warheads? Start working on your own problems instead of creating problems for others? I know they can't go the way of smaller Eastern European countries which improve year by year because of their wealthy elites but something should be done in home. The fact that green islands of Saint Petersburg and Moscow are so different compared to the rest of the country isn't a fault of NATO or USA...
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Broccoli
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Yes, how dare those people go against Russian dominance. Don't they know that their countries belong to Russia? Fact is that Russians are butthurt because they cannot bully their smaller neighbors anymore.
People need to understand that Russia has been like a giant prison since 1917s so the whole society operates on prison rules.
Jura The idiot
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Blackstone ... I remember the despicable comment you made ... let me see,
Blackstone, Oct 1, 2014
and which I asked you about
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/crisis-in-the-ukraine.t6939/page-132#post-307459
so this:
Blackstone, Oct 1, 2014
and which I asked you about
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/crisis-in-the-ukraine.t6939/page-132#post-307459
so this:
I reported to the SDF Moderators a moment ago because of reasons I gave to them. Have a nice day.
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Jura The idiot
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Broccoli, I'm guessing you confused MARIupol with MARInka; sorry if you didn't:
Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), 3 June 2015: Fighting around Marinka
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yeah, recently I mixed up here two places which are even more distant
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ukraine-revolt-civil-war.t7103/page-105#post-336699
Okay guys...let's not devolve here.
There are some clear things we need to understand about the situation in the Ukraine with Russia's involvement on their door step.
That does not make it right, or something some people will agree with...it is just so.
In addition, let's not make crass or cynical comments about the things that have occurred, particularly historically. We have members here who have lived through some of those things and they deserve our respect and understanding, whatever else you may think of the events.
Finally, Blackstone, you are receiving a warning for the Tiananmen Square comments. SD specifically forbids going into that historical event...whatever side of it you may be on...precisely for these reasons.
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION.
There are some clear things we need to understand about the situation in the Ukraine with Russia's involvement on their door step.
That does not make it right, or something some people will agree with...it is just so.
In addition, let's not make crass or cynical comments about the things that have occurred, particularly historically. We have members here who have lived through some of those things and they deserve our respect and understanding, whatever else you may think of the events.
Finally, Blackstone, you are receiving a warning for the Tiananmen Square comments. SD specifically forbids going into that historical event...whatever side of it you may be on...precisely for these reasons.
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION.
Blackstone
Brigadier
You lost me, Jura. A fellow poster wasn't sure if Ukraine was the only "color revolution" in Eastern Europe, so I listed them for reference. That was the only context I meant to convey. How did that upset you?
Would you mind posting that map? It would be interesting to see.
Miragedriver
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Almaz Antey demand interposed by the UN sanctions after the downing of the aircraft Malaysia Airlines and presents a revealing report of the incident
(Defensa.com) missile defense consortium Almaz-Antey SA, producer of antiaircraft missiles from land and sea, as well as mobile radar stations and command systems, announced that it has filed a lawsuit against the sanctions "frozen goods "Consortium (measure imposed by decision of the Council of the European Union 2014/508 / CFSP and the Regulation implementing the European Union Council No. 826/2014 of 30.07.2014). Similarly, has filed an injunction against sanctions related to the ban on the export of multipurpose military products (imposed by decision of the Council of the European Union 2014/659 / CFSP and the Regulation implementing the Council of the Union European No. 960/2014 of 08.09.2014).
Almaz-Antey sees a direct link between the implementation of sanctions made by the EU against the consortium and Boeing 777 occurred the catastrophe Malaysia Airlines flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014 east of the Region Donetsk, Ukraine. Consortium specialists carefully analyzed all the information on the accident that was delivered by the International Commission established to investigate the causes of the unfortunate disaster.
Based on this analysis, say that if the Boeing 777 flight MH17 on July 17, 2014 on the Donetsk region was destroyed by the air defense system "BUK" only one missile 9M38 (M1) system "BUK-M1" located further south, in the region of the town of Zaróschenskoie, could have been responsible, however, they claim the 9M38 (M1) missile air defense system "BUK-M1" was withdrawn from production in 1999 and all ordinance remaining was sold to foreign customers.
Almaz-Antey Consortium was founded in 2002, which would demonstrate, the report, which could not export any missiles such as these did not exist at the time that the system BUK was removed from production. So they consider that the sanctions have been imposed by the European Union are totally unfounded and should be removed shortly. The analysis also found that the missile could not have been launched in the town Snézhnoie, and they really could only be launched from the town Zaróschenskoie.
The main aspects of the information submitted by the International Commission and key findings relate to:
1. Analysis of the destructive elements of missile variant 9? 38 (? 1) of the "BUK-? 1» system.
To determine the type of missile that supposedly brought down the Boeing-777, engineers performed analysis of consortium damages cladding and reinforced airframe and the destructive elements presented by the International Commission as extracted from the different parts of the aircraft fuselage.
Among the materials obtained by the experts they had some destructive element of the heavy fraction in the form of a double T. These elements are used only in the warhead of the missile 9M38 variant (M1) air defense system "BUK -M1 ". Damage to the aircraft skin in the form of squares of size 13 x 13 mm (14 x 14 mm) identify precisely this type of ammunition. it's more. The type of damage results from those sun can cause the missile 9M38 (M1).
Specialists analyzed not only the form but also the general nature of the damage. Took into account only the primary damage, it ie those made by the elements of destruction and did not take into account the child elements, caused by the elements and destroyed within the same building the plane. These differ considerably damaged and can not be confused.
During the explosion of the warhead 9M38 (M1) they are important in both the characteristics of the elements of destruction, as the certain speed over the flying. The unique feature of the explosion of the warhead of the missile 9M38 (M1) is the formation of two fronts (lines destruction) destruction. On the first front light fragments are recognized, while the second front, the heavy fraction of double T-shaped possessing high kinetic energy. The high concentration of destructive elements that can disrupt any reinforced part of the aircraft fuselage is called "scalpel". The scalpel concentrates more than 40% of the mass of the fragments and almost half of all the energy of the explosion. In fact, are the footprints of scalpel which were identified in damage Boeing-777, which confirms the fact that if the plane was shot down by missile BUK system would have been entitled only to missile 9M38 (M1).
2. Definition of the location of the missile based on the type of damage Boeing-777
Specialists detected the point of exploding warhead of the missile, based on the characteristic damage of the skin of the aircraft on the border of the impact zone by shrapnel. It was closest point to the left, above the axis of the aircraft construction.
Then they defined the orientation of the missile in space relative to Boeing-777, the angles of approach in the horizontal and vertical planes and made conclusions based on analysis of the characteristics of the damage in the outer skin and the reinforced airframe, as well as the peculiarities of the formation of the field impact of fragments that is characteristic of this type of warhead.
The analysis of entry holes in the outer skin and side skeleton helped to clarify the fact that after the explosion, the fragments penetrated throughout the construction of the aircraft, from the nose to the tailfin.
Considering that the direction of general flow of chips destructive missile 9M39 (M1) is perpendicular to vector of movement of the missile, the missile is obvious moved on a collision course toward the plane.
The reconstruction of damage to the nose of the Boeing-777 indicated the areas of greatest destruction of parts of the reinforced airframe such as the skeleton and straps. The simulation made by specialists of the field created by the fragments during the explosion of the warhead, rocket possible to detect precise position in space. Specialists set the course of the missile with its exact position relative to the aircraft at the point of explosion. The course of the missile was 72-78 degrees in the horizontal and 20-22 degrees in the vertical plane. Only this position explains the nature of the damage and stages of decomposition of the aircraft fuselage.
They used the simulation method "Reverse" to rebuild the alleged flight path of the missile. As the Boeing-777 was moving in a straight shape, then the horizontal projection of the missile trajectory is close to the line. So they got the range of possible distances from the standpoint of explosion of the missile launch to the point of it. Simulation, say, clearly shows that the intersection of the trajectory of the missile and the plane (precisely from this angle) was possible only from a circumscribed region between 2.5 and 3.5 kilometers to the south of the town of Zaróschenskoie, and not from the village of Snézhnoie as remains.
The detailed analysis by specialists Almaz-Antey, report delivered to the International Commission. The Consortium states that Almaz-Antey is the creator of anti-aircraft missile systems and terrestrial systems BUK missiles of medium length. Therefore have exclusive competence in the field of knowledge, composition and functioning of its missiles. However, final conclusions about how and why the plane was destroyed, may be made only after all the technological expertise and so far do not have any information on the surveys conducted by the International Commission.
The consortium has also filed a complaint with the General Court of the European Union for annulment of the Resolution of the EU Council 2015/432 / CFSP of 03.13.2015 and the implementation of EU Regulation EC No. 2015/427 of 03/13/2015, they extended the sanctions linked to "freeze of assets".
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(Defensa.com) missile defense consortium Almaz-Antey SA, producer of antiaircraft missiles from land and sea, as well as mobile radar stations and command systems, announced that it has filed a lawsuit against the sanctions "frozen goods "Consortium (measure imposed by decision of the Council of the European Union 2014/508 / CFSP and the Regulation implementing the European Union Council No. 826/2014 of 30.07.2014). Similarly, has filed an injunction against sanctions related to the ban on the export of multipurpose military products (imposed by decision of the Council of the European Union 2014/659 / CFSP and the Regulation implementing the Council of the Union European No. 960/2014 of 08.09.2014).
Almaz-Antey sees a direct link between the implementation of sanctions made by the EU against the consortium and Boeing 777 occurred the catastrophe Malaysia Airlines flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014 east of the Region Donetsk, Ukraine. Consortium specialists carefully analyzed all the information on the accident that was delivered by the International Commission established to investigate the causes of the unfortunate disaster.
Based on this analysis, say that if the Boeing 777 flight MH17 on July 17, 2014 on the Donetsk region was destroyed by the air defense system "BUK" only one missile 9M38 (M1) system "BUK-M1" located further south, in the region of the town of Zaróschenskoie, could have been responsible, however, they claim the 9M38 (M1) missile air defense system "BUK-M1" was withdrawn from production in 1999 and all ordinance remaining was sold to foreign customers.
Almaz-Antey Consortium was founded in 2002, which would demonstrate, the report, which could not export any missiles such as these did not exist at the time that the system BUK was removed from production. So they consider that the sanctions have been imposed by the European Union are totally unfounded and should be removed shortly. The analysis also found that the missile could not have been launched in the town Snézhnoie, and they really could only be launched from the town Zaróschenskoie.
The main aspects of the information submitted by the International Commission and key findings relate to:
1. Analysis of the destructive elements of missile variant 9? 38 (? 1) of the "BUK-? 1» system.
To determine the type of missile that supposedly brought down the Boeing-777, engineers performed analysis of consortium damages cladding and reinforced airframe and the destructive elements presented by the International Commission as extracted from the different parts of the aircraft fuselage.
Among the materials obtained by the experts they had some destructive element of the heavy fraction in the form of a double T. These elements are used only in the warhead of the missile 9M38 variant (M1) air defense system "BUK -M1 ". Damage to the aircraft skin in the form of squares of size 13 x 13 mm (14 x 14 mm) identify precisely this type of ammunition. it's more. The type of damage results from those sun can cause the missile 9M38 (M1).
Specialists analyzed not only the form but also the general nature of the damage. Took into account only the primary damage, it ie those made by the elements of destruction and did not take into account the child elements, caused by the elements and destroyed within the same building the plane. These differ considerably damaged and can not be confused.
During the explosion of the warhead 9M38 (M1) they are important in both the characteristics of the elements of destruction, as the certain speed over the flying. The unique feature of the explosion of the warhead of the missile 9M38 (M1) is the formation of two fronts (lines destruction) destruction. On the first front light fragments are recognized, while the second front, the heavy fraction of double T-shaped possessing high kinetic energy. The high concentration of destructive elements that can disrupt any reinforced part of the aircraft fuselage is called "scalpel". The scalpel concentrates more than 40% of the mass of the fragments and almost half of all the energy of the explosion. In fact, are the footprints of scalpel which were identified in damage Boeing-777, which confirms the fact that if the plane was shot down by missile BUK system would have been entitled only to missile 9M38 (M1).
2. Definition of the location of the missile based on the type of damage Boeing-777
Specialists detected the point of exploding warhead of the missile, based on the characteristic damage of the skin of the aircraft on the border of the impact zone by shrapnel. It was closest point to the left, above the axis of the aircraft construction.
Then they defined the orientation of the missile in space relative to Boeing-777, the angles of approach in the horizontal and vertical planes and made conclusions based on analysis of the characteristics of the damage in the outer skin and the reinforced airframe, as well as the peculiarities of the formation of the field impact of fragments that is characteristic of this type of warhead.
The analysis of entry holes in the outer skin and side skeleton helped to clarify the fact that after the explosion, the fragments penetrated throughout the construction of the aircraft, from the nose to the tailfin.
Considering that the direction of general flow of chips destructive missile 9M39 (M1) is perpendicular to vector of movement of the missile, the missile is obvious moved on a collision course toward the plane.
The reconstruction of damage to the nose of the Boeing-777 indicated the areas of greatest destruction of parts of the reinforced airframe such as the skeleton and straps. The simulation made by specialists of the field created by the fragments during the explosion of the warhead, rocket possible to detect precise position in space. Specialists set the course of the missile with its exact position relative to the aircraft at the point of explosion. The course of the missile was 72-78 degrees in the horizontal and 20-22 degrees in the vertical plane. Only this position explains the nature of the damage and stages of decomposition of the aircraft fuselage.
They used the simulation method "Reverse" to rebuild the alleged flight path of the missile. As the Boeing-777 was moving in a straight shape, then the horizontal projection of the missile trajectory is close to the line. So they got the range of possible distances from the standpoint of explosion of the missile launch to the point of it. Simulation, say, clearly shows that the intersection of the trajectory of the missile and the plane (precisely from this angle) was possible only from a circumscribed region between 2.5 and 3.5 kilometers to the south of the town of Zaróschenskoie, and not from the village of Snézhnoie as remains.
The detailed analysis by specialists Almaz-Antey, report delivered to the International Commission. The Consortium states that Almaz-Antey is the creator of anti-aircraft missile systems and terrestrial systems BUK missiles of medium length. Therefore have exclusive competence in the field of knowledge, composition and functioning of its missiles. However, final conclusions about how and why the plane was destroyed, may be made only after all the technological expertise and so far do not have any information on the surveys conducted by the International Commission.
The consortium has also filed a complaint with the General Court of the European Union for annulment of the Resolution of the EU Council 2015/432 / CFSP of 03.13.2015 and the implementation of EU Regulation EC No. 2015/427 of 03/13/2015, they extended the sanctions linked to "freeze of assets".
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Miragedriver
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Soldiers DPR fight off attack APU under Marinka
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Miragedriver
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Donetsk shelled (with English subtitles)
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