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The captain of the Pyotr Velikiy is saying to himself "vat is this little moskit buzzing around me?"
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
The captain of the Pyotr Velikiy is saying to himself "vat is this little moskit buzzing around me?"

Lol that was funny but I get your point

Thing with Russians is that they want respect they like to be respected and that's fair enough no one is really going to mess with them having said that if anyone can the Royal Navy can because of the history and geographical location UK is best suited to keep the Russians at bay

Type 45 DDG is the weapon of choice for interception it's fast it's quick and can quickly track down anything on the high seas and with its powerful PAAMS radar one such DDG sitting between the North East Coast of Scotland and Norway can cover the entire entrance to the North Sea

This interception is a well established text book manoeuvre which RN does very well you can bet that a RN SSN was probably not far away from that Russian ship probably even had it tagged if Russians tried anything silly

After Russia planted that flag in the Arctic bottom I have always felt that the QE carrier once commissioned May well spent a lot of their time doing Arctic patrols to remind Russia not try anything adventurous again

Going further I believe that the RN carriers will be covering not only the Arctic but also Eastern Atlantic and the Mediterranean now that USN is focused on the "Pacific Pivot" and have a lot less assets deployed in they theatre although a Expeditionary Marine Unit will have a presence

UK and Russia might just be seeing a lot more of each other in the coming years plus France had to sell them those two Mistral Class bet USN and RN has the acoustic signatures and electronic emissions of those ships
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
Type 45 DDG is the weapon of choice for interception it's fast it's quick and can quickly track down anything on the high seas and with its powerful PAAMS radar one such DDG sitting between the North East Coast of Scotland and Norway can cover the entire entrance to the North Sea

Have they installed Harpoons on those ships ? It would be very unpleasant if they have to intercept whole Russian fleet armed with just one 4.5 inch gun :D

After Russia planted that flag in the Arctic bottom I have always felt that the QE carrier once commissioned May well spent a lot of their time doing Arctic patrols to remind Russia not try anything adventurous again

No, it won't. And try to guess why (no, it is not the Russians) . :D
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Have they installed Harpoons on those ships ? It would be very unpleasant if they have to intercept whole Russian fleet armed with just one 4.5 inch gun :D
Well, a Freedom of Information request to the UK government produced the following that was written in August of 2013:

FOIA Release UK said:
Dear Sir/Madam,

Request for Information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000

Thank you for your email of 11 July 2013 requesting the following information:

"Under the Freedom of information act can you tell me if some, or all of the type 45 Destroyers, now in service are to be fitted with weapons from recently retired type 22 block 3 hulls in the near future?

Namely, Harpoon and anti-submarine torpedo tubes. "

Your request is being dealt with under the terms of the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act.

I can confirm that the MOD does hold information within the scope of your request and a summary of this recorded information is provided below.

Harpoon will be fitted to four of the six Type 45 Destroyers.

The fit will utilize redundant equipment from the de-commissioned Type 22 Batch 3 Frigates and, in addition, new equipment has been procured to allow integration into the Type 45 vessels.

Currently there are no plans to fit anti-submarine torpedo tubes in the Type 45 Destroyer.

If you are not satisfied with this response or wish to complain about any aspect of the handling of your request, then you should contact me in the first instance.

If informal resolution is not possible and you are still dissatisfied then you may apply for an independent internal review by contacting the Deputy Chief Information Officer, 2nd Floor, MOD Main Building, Whitehall, SW1A 2HB (e-mail [email address]).

Please note that any request for an internal review must be made within 40 working days of the date on which the attempt to reach informal resolution has come to an end.

So, in August of 2013 it was officially revealed (which many had already surmised) that the Harpoons from the retiring Type 22s would go to the Darings.

At this point I have not seen further information that would tell us how many, if any, have already been installed, or on which vessels.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
I wonder if the Harpoons were test-fired from the Type 45.
I cannot say. But, Dragon, D35, early on after her launch had a GREAT Dragon design on her bow. They later took it off.


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Clearly, she did not have ther Harpoons...or for that matter even the two Phalanx CIWS yet at that time.

But since then, they all have gotten the two Phalanx, Here we can see that Daring, D32, Dauntless, D33, Diamond, D34, Dragon, D35, Defender, D36, and Duncan, D37 all now have the Phalanx:


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So, all have the two Phalanx CIWS, one on either side, but none have the Harpoons yet.
 

Jeff Head

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Aviation Week said:
There’s a great deal of quiet excitement at the Rosyth dockyard near Edinburgh.

In 50 days time, on July 4, Her Majesty the Queen will formally name the U.K.’s newest aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth and of course, bless all those who sail in her.

The activity is phrenetic, scaffolding currently covers many of the parts that give the 65,000 tonne ship its unique shape, with its distinctive two islands. As work continues on her haze grey paint job, inside, workers are getting on with the wiring and testing the many systems that will support its operation.

I had been looking forward to a visit to the ship for some time, and regardless of where you view the ship from, whether it’s from the top of the tiny ski jump on the bow, from above on Rosyth’s vast Goliath crane, or perversely from underneath the stern, you really get a sense of the scale of the enterprise.

Large components for the Queen Elizabeth have been assembled at six sites around the country and then moved by barge to Rosyth, while the Aircraft Carrier Alliance, the consortium building the ship, say that companies in virtually every county of the U.K. have been involved in the supply of parts and equipment.

The paint job has to be completed by June 15, ready for engineers to be begin opening the sluices and put water into the dock on June 23. After the naming ceremony, some time later in July, the ship will move out of the dry dock and be berthed inside the yard for further fitting-out work. In September, the first major pieces of the second, sister ship, HMS Prince of Wales, will arrive, and work will then begin on assembling that vessel. Indeed, some of the parts, including a significant part of the bow for the Prince of Wales, were already on site at Rosyth during Aviation Week’s visit.

Royal Navy personnel will begin training on the Queen Elizabeth in May 2016 with sea trials due to be undertaken in August that year. Acceptance should occur in May 2017, and the Navy hopes that the first F-35Bs Lightning IIs could be landing on the vast 4.5-acre flight deck somewhere off the east coast of the United States towards the end of 2018, with an interim operating capability expected in 2020 after training.


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I cannot say. But, Dragon, D35, early on after her launch had a GREAT Dragon design on her bow. They later took it off.


d35-00.jpg


Clearly, she did not have ther Harpoons...or for that matter even the two Phalanx CIWS yet at that time.

Jeff, in the very first moment, when drinking my early-morning coffee, I thought you had found that picture on some Asian forum and the dragon is a watermark :)


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So, all have the two Phalanx CIWS, one on either side, but none have the Harpoons yet.

I have a simple question about the Harpoons (it's also related to what you just said in the LCS Thread http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-armed-forces/littoral-combat-ships-lcs-30-3993.html#post282218): How many sailors are required to shoot it? (I mean the number of all people directly involved in the process which ends when one of them pushes something like Launch button :)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Dragons are a popular myth across the world. Not just European and Asian but even Native American. However how they are displayed is the difference. Asian Dragons tend to be serpentine. European Dragons are either Godzilla with wings, or like that image a much shorter length with defined thorax and stubby tail and neck. Native American are serpents with wings.
that dragon shows all the hallmarks of a European styles. If it were Asian it would likely be stretched out lacking wings with a more pronounced head.
the meaings and relationships of dragons also differs Asian Dragons are more revered and often associated with good. European dragons are powerful but often evil greedy things. Native America I am not so sure but some were looked at as gods.
 
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