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zavve

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What systems onboard the UK carriers make them more advanced than Shandong?
In my opinion, the QEC is a more modern design as however much Shangdong is different from the Kuznetsov, it still shares many of the same characteristics. The QEC has IEP which is undoubtedly more advanced than the Type 002 propulsion system. The dual island design is also an advancement as it offers better control for flight operations and better survivability as it has two separate funnels. The QEC carries better aircraft (F-35B vs J-15 is not really a fair comparison). One area where the Shangdong is ahead is radars, Type 346A is bigger and therefore probably a more powerful radar than either S1850M or Type 997.
3 true things: 2 carriers, nonworking, and silly
How are the QEC "nonworking" or "silly"?
 

zavve

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Fuel economy, they don't sail a lot.
They sail pretty frequently.
If they had choosen F-35C and catobar I could say that the design would have been better
Agreed.
Now they have troublesome aircraft F-35b without any range, on top of being in troublesome ships.
Compared to the Harrier which the F-35B is replacing, they have plenty of range. And as I've tried to explain multiple times, the QEC class are not that troublesome, they (especially PoW) has some teething issues but that's not abnormal.
 

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In my opinion, the QEC is a more modern design as however much Shangdong is different from the Kuznetsov, it still shares many of the same characteristics. The QEC has IEP which is undoubtedly more advanced than the Type 002 propulsion system. The dual island design is also an advancement as it offers better control for flight operations and better survivability as it has two separate funnels. The QEC carries better aircraft (F-35B vs J-15 is not really a fair comparison). One area where the Shangdong is ahead is radars, Type 346A is bigger and therefore probably a more powerful radar than either S1850M or Type 997.
All of that is meaningless if it doesn't actually work, and there are no planes for it.

The smart thing to do would be what the French did, build one CATOBAR with their own jet.
 
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