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FORBIN

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The RN remains capable i don' t have doubt :cool:

They will NOT dive the boat, they will transit on the surface, it will be a rough ride compared to the normally smooth sub-surface transit. There's a lot of sensitive equipment sensor wise in the conning tower, and I'm not certain they will be able to maintain the normal surface operations watch from the "crows nest", so it will be a different type of operation.

They have likely had a preliminary safety board, and on that determination, made a decision on who would conduct the return trip to UK, the original Captain, Officer's, and crew, or could even be a whole new crew, but that's not likely, unless something is really messed up.

They will have made the temporary fixes, to make the boat as "seaworthy" as is possible for the return trip.
You point good but fortunately sensors especialy optronic mast are in the center of the sail and not damaged.
 

asif iqbal

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Nice one AFB if you like QE you will like this

Inside shot of the QE flight deck under going a coating of Aluminium and Titanium to withstand the heat from F35B exhaust up to 1,500C

10% of the flight deck is coated in this thin "spray " of powdered metal through jet of plasma at temperatures of 10,000C to make a coating 2.5mm thick which bonds to the metal below

More work to get the unit closer to operation

A inspection of the flight deck

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Air Force Brat

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Embarassing sure but no grave damages, a little of solder, a new sensor and she is back.

Damaged HMS Ambush on Faslane coming back from Gibraltar
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So, are those horizontally oriented long black lines "scrapes" incurred during the encounter, down the side of the sail, and even down the side of the hull???

If so not only the sail damaged but the "coating" on the boat? That must have scared the "krap" out of everybody, I can just hear it happening in slow motion......
 

FORBIN

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Daddy get all panoply,Typhoon don't have.

UK RAF completes Brimstone 2 operational evaluation trials on Tornado GR4

The United Kingdom Royal Air Force (RAF) has successfully conducted and completed Operational Evaluation trials of the Brimstone 2 fast-jet precision attack surface-to-air missile.

The trials are the final milestone before a 'Release to Service' and declaration of Initial Operating Capability (IOC) with the RAF Tornado GR4 multirole combat aircraft, which was originally intended for May 2016.

During the latest operational evaluation trials, conducted at the US Naval Air Weapons Station, China Lake, California in February this year, GR4 assets from RAF 41 (R) Test & Evaluation Squadron fired 11 Brimstone 2 missiles in a variety of operational scenarios. "The trials focused on demonstrating the overall performance of the missile system with the platform. These included firing missiles at structures, a very small fast moving vehicle, and edge of the weapon system's performance envelope shots," an MBDA spokesperson told IHS Jane's . The spokesperson added that the trials included single and salvo firings, using singe millimetric radar and dual mode guidance, and ground-based third-party laser designation.

IHS Jane's understands that 10 of the 11 missiles struck the target. "All of them hit, with the exception of one, which was an extreme edge of the envelope - very short range - shot which did not acquire the target, and which was not a prerequisite shot for operations," the spokesperson confirmed.

MBDA said in a press release that the trials demonstrated that the "missile engagement envelope is significant increased over the in-service [Dual-Mode Brimstone -DMB] missile, providing a 100% increase in stand-off range (based on MBDA modelling and release ranges of the in-service missile".

However, this does not mean that the Brimstone 2 missile has been engineered to double the range of DMB; effectively, Brimstone 2 and DMB have the same range

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Naval Today said:
The British Ministry of Defence has confirmed that it signed a deal to purchase nine P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) for the Royal Air Force (RAF).

Boeing’s P-8A MPA are being purchased from the US Government via a Foreign Military Sale.

According to the MoD, the cost of developing and delivering the UK’s MPA capability, including paying for the people, their training, the infrastructure and necessary support at RAF Lossiemouth will be around £3 billion over the next decade.

Speaking at the start of the Farnborough Airshow, Prime Minister David Cameron said that Boeing would commit about £100 million to the Lossiemouth base.

Tony Douglas, Chief Executive Officer of the MOD’s Defence Equipment and Support organisation, said: “The P-8A aircraft was the best solution to fill our maritime patrol aircraft capability gap; it is tried, tested and can be delivered in the timeline we need.”

The new aircraft, which will be based at RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, will play a vital role in protecting the UK’s nuclear deterrent and the UK’s two new aircraft carriers. They will also be able to locate and track hostile submarines, and will enhance the UK’s maritime Search and Rescue (SAR) capability. This capability will also bring economic benefits to Scotland and the wider UK, with an additional 400 personnel based at RAF Lossiemouth, the ministry said.

The P-8A can operate at long range from its operating base without refuelling and has the endurance to carry out high and low-level airborne maritime and overland surveillance for extended periods. This aircraft will also be able to conduct wide-area search of open ocean to locate small boats and drop rescue life-rafts and equipment to vessels and people in distress.

The P-8A is based on the Boeing 737, which is already supplied by UK industry. UK manufacturers already provide specialist sub-systems for the P-8 itself. Companies include Marshall for the auxiliary fuel tanks, Martin Baker for the crew seats and General Electric for weapon pylons. The new order of P-8As is also set to create opportunities for the UK to bid for training and support contracts.

First aircraft are expected to arrive in the UK in 2019/2020.
GREAT to get confirmation of this order. Did not know if it was reported on SE while I was away.

They had talked about it last year, but now the order has been placed.

So we have the current plans for the P-8:

US - 122
UK - 9
Australia - 15
India - 12

It is possible that Norway, New Zealand, Turkey, and others may also buy the P_8. India may certainly order more as well.
 

FORBIN

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Norway yes, NZ later but not for Turkey receive soon 6 ATR-72 MPA and have yet 4 CN-235 MPA

Italy also receive these weeks ATR-72 MPA replace Atlantique 1.

ATR-72, CN-235 both more small than P-8 with especialy the 2nd with a less big range are not capable than P-8 especialy for ASW, sensors, electronic, get ext HP for missiles but are clearly more affordable.
 

FORBIN

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As Asif pointed for somethings recently SSN, MPA now UK MOD get some weaknesses ... !

Nimrod necessary for protect with ships SSBN retitred since 2010 and P-8 in service for 2019, 9 years without MPA !!! and a small order just 6 for front line fleet, 2 training, 1 reserve.

But it is interesting going especialy with last SDSR for look about UK Mil Forces and French coz about have same size/power and Budget.
UK 5th Mil Budget : 56 Bill $
France 7th : 46 Bill $

If you compare i think France do " better money" coz especialy British get less expensives nuclear armament building part of SSBN with USA and buy SLBM, France build alone. But UK get more important Reserves,

In several part, Nuclear Forces, Armies, Air Services and Navies.

Nuclear Forces
UK : 4 SSBN with 58 Trident II about 200 warheads
France : 4 SSBN with 48 M 51 about 200/250 warhead and 20 Rafale + 23 Mirage 2000NK3 with 54 ASMP A.

Armies
UK

Pers : Active : 87000 for 2020 : 82000, 5 Brigades including Royal marines with enough big Reserves 30000,
MBT : 287
AIFV : 500
Recc Veh. : 200
Artillery : 280 whose 165 heavy SPG/MLRS
SAM : 230 short range launchers
Helos : 50 AH-64 + soon 34 Wildcat light atk

France
Pers : Active : 105000, 7,5 Brigades a German-French Brigade.
MBT : 200
"Wheels Tank " : 248
AIFV : 600
Recc Veh. : 200
Artillery : 130 whose 45 heavy SPG/MLRS so low
SAM : 220 short range launchers
Helos : 60 Tigres after 67 + some Gazelles light atk after retired
 
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