U.S VS Iran getting close

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utelore

utelore

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I posted that info on what the U.S would need to launch a "invasion"of Iran to just show how insane it would be and just how unlikely it would be for the U.S to marshall that kind of force. From a Military standpoint Iraq was a walk in the park. Iran is HUUUUGE with massive mountain ranges, bigger cities, a better trained military that would be much more dedicated.

I think under perfect conditions the U.S military might reach Tehran with that force construct I posted in 90 days if everything went perfect which of course it would not. If the Basij, Iranian army and pasdaran fully mobilise behind the war effort and the clerics then the U.S would be facing 2 million men by the time it reached the "gates" of Tehran. Not to mention Iran has many other large cities like Mashhad, Esfahan, Shiraz, Qom, and Tabriz that would just become the "new" capital unlike Iraq were Baghdad was the one and only seat of power. So the U.S encircles Tehran....so what...Iran would just be one big trap and meat grinder for the U.S

I just don't think its gonna happen. Maybe surgical strikes against nuke sites but no way will the U.S Invade Iran unless Iran nuked Israel or something like that.
 
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BLUEJACKET

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There will be no invasion- if anything, only airstrikes, guerilla/SOF raids, attempts of "regime change", and perhaps limited invasion/occupation of the coastal areas. Iraq itself was invaded in '03 only after 12 years of economic sanctions and "degrading" no-fly zone bombing raids, and of course '98
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Utelore:

If Iran was insane enough to actually use a nuclear weapon against Israel, there would be need to invade. Much of Iran would simply be reduced to radioactive tritonite (typically green, glassy silicate mixture formed by the intense heat of a surface nuclear detonation. Named after the Trinity atom bomb tests where it was discovered. Isn't geology fun? :p)
Israel has actually built a credible triad nuclear deterrent and second strike capability. This relies on the Jericho I and Jericho II missiles (the latter are similar to the Pershing 2 missiles of the late 1970's), tactical strike fighters such as the F-15, F-16 and A-4, and the new, impressive Dolphin class submarine, which is based on the popular German type 212. The Dolphin is purported to be armed with an SLCM varient of the POPEYE HAVE NAP turbo cruise missile, carrying a 200 kg warhead built around a 7 kg plutonium core. Just speculation and semi-official "leaks", but we do know that 4 of the bow tubes are 650mm diameter, which is pretty big. Big enough for a Tomahawk, or a POPEYE cruise missile. The Iranians may find out what those launch tubes are for if they keep screwing around...
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BLUEJACKET

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They aren't any more stupid than the N.Koreans vs. Japan/US and won't use nukes against Israel first, even if they get them, as they know it will be suicidal-as you correctly pointed out, that will invite massive nuclear retaliation and invasion.
 
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Re: Forces needed for Iran Invasion

utelore said:
This in my opinion would be the needed force set to invade Iran and take/hold Tehran. We are looking at a Three pronged invasion of 100,000+ troops with 760+ M1 Abrams, 740+ Bradley's, 250+ strykers AFV, 500+ LAV/LVTP, 1 force overland from Iraq, Amphibious landings near Bandar Abbas and force movement from Afghanistan towards Tehran.
U.S Army formations
1st Cavalry Div/100%
4th Infantry Div/100%
10th Mountain Div/100%
101st Airborne/air assault/100%
3rd Armoured Cav Rgt/100%
172nd Inf Brigade/100%
173rd Airborne Brigade/100%
82nd Airborne Div/1 brigade.....augmentative force of 2 Ranger Battalion
5th Special Forces Group/100%
10th Special Forces Group/Major elements
160 Special operation Aviation Reg/major elements

MARINE FORCES
1st Marine Div/100% attached SEALteams
3rd Marine Exp Brig/attached SEALteams
5th Marine Exp Brig/attached SEAL teams
Major Elements of Marine SOCOM.Force Recon

FOLLOW ON FORCES 100,000+ 60-90 days latter to occupy the rest of Iran as follows.
Follow on force of 82nd Airborne 1 brigade
7th National Guard Inf Div (light)
24th National Guard Inf Div (Heavy)
40th National Guard Inf Div(mechanized)
35th National Guard Inf Div(Mechanized)
155th National Guard armoured brigade
116th National Guard Armor Cavalry Brigade
Criminal Investigations Div. support U.S army(3rd MP Group)
89th Military Police brigade
1st Military Police brigade.
8th Military Police brigade
Major Elements of the 2nd Marine Div to replace 1st Marine Div as situation becomes better.
Delta units( Kill leaders of any Insurgancy before starts)
Major elements of CIA-special activities groups.(kill bad actors)
FBI-technical support for LEO ops. (track down bad actors)
Federal Protective Services police and U.S Marshal service(SOG)
Federal Bureau of Prisons special corrections units and Emergency response units)
Contractor Security units IE Blackwater/private armies to protect VIP/infrastructure.
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These divisions have stood down.
7th National Guard Inf Div (light)
24th National Guard Inf Div (Heavy)

Some others you mention will soon.

You also mention only Divisions. The basic unit of the Army has become the Brigade. The Divisions you cite are today only C2 organizations that direct multiple Brigades and have only TRO authority over "assigned" brigades,wihtout them being organic, so, if you are going to make a meaningful list, you'll have to list the Brigades you'd want to take. Naming the directing Div HQs would be optional.

The whole discussion is a bit silly. The only organizations actively contemplating an invasion of Iran is the Media and it seems to be an annual scare cycle.
 
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Vlad Plasmius

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I have my doubt about the U.S. and Israel being able to inflict any serious damage. Bushehr, the nuclear reactor set to be complete this year, will have Tor-M1s and has, I believe, one squadron of F-14s and two of F-4s. Should Iran acquire S-300s and finish the Iran-140 AWACS sometimes soon than Bushehr would be practically impenetrable, certainly to the level of strike we'd launch.

Even if all other facilities are taken, unlikely if not impossible, maintaining a nuclear reactor would make destroying of the other facilities pointless.
 
MaxTesla

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lcortez said:
For Gods sake,BUSH DOES NOT NEED TO RAISE TAXES TO GET ADDIIONAL FUNDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:
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Yes he does not need to raise taxes to get more founds and the only option left is to cut school and hospitals that are allready low or loan money

How can you not see that

In plain english the USA can not afford to attack IRAN since it has no money to do so so there can be no attack on iran because the USA has no money

The USA can not afford to attack IRAN, The USA is out of money.

Money does not come from nowhere, where do you think the extra founds come from, god maybe?

No, they come from LOANS
 
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lcortez

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No I think it comes out of your ass where you are plainly speaking from as you clearly do not understand economics!!! If the US cannot afford healthcare why are several states now funding universal healthcare and there is serious consideration being given to a nation wide scheme.Also Supplementary Spending Bills ARE NOT LOANS!,they are additional funds approved by Congress to cober a specific need outside of the Budget,also the Budget is NOT the total amount available to a given Gov,IT IS THE AMOUNT A GOV PROPSE TO SPEND IN A GIVEN FISCAL YEAR!!!!!!

NOW GET OF THE SUBJECT THIS IS NOT,I REPEAT NOT, AN ECONOMICS FORUM IT IS A MILITARY ONE ANDI DO NOT WAQNT TO GET BANNED FROM IT AS I HAVE LEARNT A LOT SINCE I HAVE BEEN SUBSCRIBING TO !!!!!!!!!!:
 
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MaxTesla

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lcortez said:
No I think it comes out of your ass where you are plainly speaking from as you clearly do not understand economics!!! If the US cannot afford healthcare why are several states now funding universal healthcare and there is serious consideration being given to a nation wide scheme.Also Supplementary Spending Bills ARE NOT LOANS!,they are additional funds approved by Congress to cober a specific need outside of the Budget,also the Budget is NOT the total amount available to a given Gov,IT IS THE AMOUNT A GOV PROPSE TO SPEND IN A GIVEN FISCAL YEAR!!!!!!

NOW GET OF THE SUBJECT THIS IS NOT,I REPEAT NOT, AN ECONOMICS FORUM IT IS A MILITARY ONE ANDI DO NOT WAQNT TO GET BANNED FROM IT AS I HAVE LEARNT A LOT SINCE I HAVE BEEN SUBSCRIBING TO !!!!!!!!!!:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:
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The money must come from somwhere within the US goverment 2 trillion budget 20% is allready going to the military the additional 80% is going to other things like roads poor schools and poor hospitals and the legal branch etc, increaseing military will decrease the other sided and those sides are allready at the absolut minimum

Also the 2 trillion budget is 860 billion of loans and 1140 billion home made

Some states does not matter the overal budget of the USA in 2006 see the CIA report

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There can be no war with iran because the USA does not have the money to do so, any more loans will crash the usa market which in turn will crash the world market, there is no more money to get in any way except rasing taxes and bush is allergic to that he would rather crash the whole world then increase taxes
 
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celtic-dragon

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MaxTesla said:
The money must come from somwhere within the US goverment 2 trillion budget 20% is allready going to the military the additional 80% is going to other things like roads poor schools and poor hospitals and the legal branch etc, increaseing military will decrease the other sided and those sides are allready at the absolut minimum

Also the 2 trillion budget is 860 billion of loans and 1140 billion home made

Some states does not matter the overal budget of the USA in 2006 see the CIA report

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There can be no war with iran because the USA does not have the money to do so, any more loans will crash the usa market which in turn will crash the world market, there is no more money to get in any way except rasing taxes and bush is allergic to that he would rather crash the whole world then increase taxes
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Fine, Max, whatever. You have made your point ad nauseum. Many of us disagree with you. Let's move on. This is not an economics forum, which you seem grimly determined to ignore.
 
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