how can China sent Mig-29 to Turky?
There is some speculation that the Hungarians are participating in this exercise as well.
U.S. Questions Turkey's miltary exercise with China
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There is some speculation that the Hungarians are participating in this exercise as well.
Skywatcher
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The USAF is probably going to sit down and compare notes with Turkey after this exercise, if it is true.
Rumors are coming in regarding the identity of the flankers being sent. Some people are claiming that J-11Bs were sent to the exercise but I think it is highly unlikely for China to send the most high-tech plane in her arsenal over. I am inclined to think that upgraded J-11As were used in the exercises.
That's why flankers were sent, and not J-10's.
Ok guys I need assistance dispelling a vicious rumor about the military exercise. Here are the latest updates:
1) No F-16s were used by the Turkish side. F-4s were used instead.
2) Turkey promised the U.S. that no sensitive NATO information would be leaked as a result of the exercise.
Source proving that I wasn't b.s.ing.
Now here is the "fun" part. There is a rumor running on the Chinese BBS that the Turkish side was able to achieve 8-0 kill ratio against Chinese flankers, with F-4s!!! This is extraordinary to say the least. Could anyone find reliable sources of info either proving or disproving this? Thnx.
1) No F-16s were used by the Turkish side. F-4s were used instead.
2) Turkey promised the U.S. that no sensitive NATO information would be leaked as a result of the exercise.
Source proving that I wasn't b.s.ing.
Now here is the "fun" part. There is a rumor running on the Chinese BBS that the Turkish side was able to achieve 8-0 kill ratio against Chinese flankers, with F-4s!!! This is extraordinary to say the least. Could anyone find reliable sources of info either proving or disproving this? Thnx.
I'm not too sure whether F-4s were used or F-16s, I think I read somewhere that they did use F-4s as not to violate too much american trust but can't remember where exactly.
LOL, don't worry guys this is only a PLAAF strategy so the USAF could underestimate them in combat and take them with surprise!
I think the fact that we're even considering this a possibility shows how much faith we have in PLAAF pilots :roll:
Sure the rumour isn't giving the numbers the other way round?
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kwaigonegin
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Honestly I wouldn't be surprise if those data are indeed correct. PLAAF may have a qualitative edge (in terms of hardware) in this particular case BUT keep in mind that they are relatively infantile when it comes to modern air combat from a standpoint or warfighting abilities, organization, experience and doctrines.
NATO countries such as Turkey has the benefit of knowledge, experience and skills through regular military exercises and exchange programs with other NATO forces because of membership while China do not. NATO pilots/Air Force also has certain requirements that are regularly cultivated and expanded to hone their skills in combat. I seriously doubt PLAAF has anything similar in terms of scope or effectiveness.
Something like ENJJPT and dozens of other similar type trainings are good examples.
airsuperiority
Captain
honestly i dont really know how truthful those numbers are, and whether it's really the chinese putting up a fake show , or they really suck that much
either way, getting your ass kicked by vietnam war era planes seemed kinda scary
If the Turks were flying something more modern, like F-16s then I'd concede a kill ratio favouring them, but even then an 8:0 kill ratio is... very questionable.
We obviously don't know how well PLAAF pilots are trained, but they have their own red flag type exercises and I'm pretty sure they would have some competent doctrines worked out. Perhaps nothing as comperhensive as western equivalents of course, but flanker pilots should have some basic requirements.
8:0 with F-4s vs Flankers... something just doesn't add up.
airsuperiority
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it doesnt make any fking sense in any way at all LOL (i mean 8:0, f4 kicking flankers. every bits of flanker outperforms the f4. and even if it's down to pilot skills, it's quite equivalent of having ace pilots in f4s while the flankers are flown by people who played jane's flight simulators on pc)