Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

Blitzo

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Space on a flat deck is limited. I agree that an aircraft with heavier payloads may be more ideal in such a scenario, but there is a trade-off.

As for the 076 being a straight deck CATOBAR, keep in mind that these fixed wing aircraft are unmanned. They are smaller in size and simpler to operate. Moving aircraft from the forward part of the ship to the aft part or to the launch position also should not interfere with launch operations (edit: though this will need to be confirmed for certainty), which is not the case for other LHAs/LHDs. So while ops are obviously limited, they're also likely more efficient in comparison.

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Well, I agree with you in the sense that GJ-21 on 076 will still offer a useful strike capability.

But the geometry of the flight deck IMO ultimately is still going to be tough for high optempo sorties. The smaller size of GJ-21 relative to a standard manned aircraft is also countered by the smaller size of the 076 flight deck compared to a proper CATOBAR carrier (even one like CdG).

The good news is that they don't necessarily have to move aircraft from the bow part of the ship to the rear during a launch cycle simultaneously as they are launching from the catapult. More likely that in a launch cycle they will prespot that cycle's aircraft in the aft half of the ship, while the bow spotting positions accommodate the aircraft from the immediately preceding recovery cycle.


If anything I would say the value in 076 being a CATOBAR with GJ-21s is the ability to conduct organic relatively high end air to ground or even air to sea strike missions at long range and in contested environments.
 

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This CCTV13 broadcast on Type 076 sure emphasized its carrier capabilities more than its amphibious part. I don't know if this is what people in PLAN thinks or just people love hyping sexy features. They are calling it a "quasi" aircraft carrier and saying it can launch fixed winged aircraft and large drones.

从全球海军武器装备的角度来看,076 型两栖攻击舰四川舰被定位为“准航母”级别舰艇。它不仅是一个固定翼飞机、无人机及其他作战飞机的起飞平台,更是未来两栖作战编队的核心组成部分,可作为大航母编队的重要补充。
四川舰外观上最引人注目的设计是其独特的双舰岛式上层建筑和全纵通飞行甲板。传统的单舰岛设计在功能划分上存在一定限制,而四川舰采用的双舰岛设计,实现了前舰岛专注于航行指挥和编队协同,后舰岛则专门负责航空管制,包括无人机、直升机及友舰战机的指挥调度。

四川舰最核心的技术亮点在于其首次在两栖攻击舰上集成了电磁弹射和阻拦技术。这一创新意味着四川舰不再局限于搭载垂直 / 短距起降(VTOL / STOL)的舰载机,而是能够像航母一样,高效弹射包括固定翼飞机、大型无人机在内的多种机型。
在应对低强度冲突时,四川舰及其编队完全有能力独立完成任务。它能够搭载和指挥多种无人机,形成科学合理的舰载机体系,如攻击 21 号隐身舰载机,可执行侦察预警、对地 / 对海打击等多种作战任务,极大地拓展了作战维度。

两栖攻击舰过去主要承担“投送”任务,即快速将登陆部队送达目标区域,但自身火力及制空制海能力相对有限,需要其他舰艇和航空兵提供掩护。

而四川舰装备电磁弹射系统后,能够弹射大型无人机和有人舰载机,让其在提供两栖登陆部队安全掩护的同时,也能确保编队上空的制空和制海安全。

Now, I wonder if they will produce some type of slower, but longer endurance type of UCAVs like a navalized GJ-2 (no idea how much work is involved or even if the wings are too long). But something like that on an amphibious mission, would probably be more effective at going after smaller adversarial target than a helicopter.

Also, I do like the concept of putting a persistent EW drone similar to WZ-10 on Type 076. Also for the purpose of amphibious missions.
 

para80

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I think we need to strongly consider that PLAN themselves have yet to figure out how to exactly utilise a system like Type 076. Not only is it a first of class, it is a first of type. Drawing up detailed CONOPS from scratch and then applying them to a designed, engineered and operational platform is not a thing in the military, for much the same reason how "no plan survives contact with the enemy".

There will be a broad outline of sensible applications and over the next few years they're going to file those down to a reasonable and reliable concept of operations. Just my two cents.
 

MC530

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If the adversary is a small country like Venezuela, the Type 076 can play a significant role. The GJ-21 provides long-endurance ground attack capability, unmanned air combat aircraft achieve air superiority, and the WZ-10 drone provides real-time surveillance or AEW capability. Marines and helicopter units can conduct amphibious assaults when necessary.

At least it eliminates the need for a $13.5 billion supercarrier to perform overly mediocre tasks.

A colonial-era aircraft carrier—okay, politically incorrect, but something like that.
 

plawolf

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I'd imagine it’s more the recovery that might be a bit risky. To say nothing of movements across the flight deck.

One massive advantage the range the GJ21 offers is that it doesn’t have to return to the 076 after a combat sortie, and can instead fly itself back to a land base.

If we expand on that and make it part of SOP for the 076 for high intensity combat operations within the second island chain, it really opens up a massive amount of new capabilities and options. For example, you can have one or even several 076s mass launch all their GJ21s for a massive strike campaign and basically have a steady stream of fresh GJ21s already en route.

The 076s can steadily recover the incoming GJ21s for refuelling and arming while steaming at full speed to a completely new launch zone.

Opfor is directing their search and attack elements to hunt for the 076s based on ingress and egress routes of the first wave of GJ21s and suddenly gets another GJ21 spam wave hitting them from the opposite direction.
 

Gloire_bb

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If the adversary is a small country like Venezuela, the Type 076 can play a significant role. The GJ-21 provides long-endurance ground attack capability, unmanned air combat aircraft achieve air superiority, and the WZ-10 drone provides real-time surveillance or AEW capability. Marines and helicopter units can conduct amphibious assaults when necessary.

At least it eliminates the need for a $13.5 billion supercarrier to perform overly mediocre tasks.

A colonial-era aircraft carrier—okay, politically incorrect, but something like that.
Small countries tend to be more able to defend themselves individually. It's ironically big power's underdefended belly which is truly most vulnerable. Nations can't be strong everywhere.
 
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