Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

sheogorath said:

Not all VTOLs are created equal.

Harriers were one way to do it, with the nozzles, then you had projects like the Yak-38 or Mirage IIIV which used smaller lift jets which were "simpler" but took more fuel and you ended up hauling dead weight on horizontal flight, then the F-35B which uses a shaft connected to the main engine to power said "lift fan", which still is dead weight when not in use, and so on.

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Yes I'm aware of that, I'm aware the difference between barriers and yak and F35.

With the exception of F35, the VTOL concept shouldn't present problems for Chinese engineers now 50 years on!

This type will combine the best features of both LHD & LHA, + will have some from the CV.

China has an Harrier GR5 in a military aircraft museum, not sure where they got it from, but it is there for many decades. They must have looked through every part of it.

galvatron said:

VTOL engines are probably more complicated and more expensive to maintain. The buyers will be feeling stupid if not right now.

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...But those buyers can't build CATOBAR carriers anyway? F35B gives them the ability to covert their LHD/LHA or heli carriers into small carriers, or they could just make a WWII style straight deck carrier and throw F35B on it then call it a day (≖_≖ ) They'll be happy to join the carrier club which they couldn't without F35B (I know harriers exist but they're just in a different league compare to actual fighter jets), why would they feel stupid?

China is different because they already have carrier borne jets and EMALS ready (or will be ready when 076 is out). If they want their LHDs to have the ability to operate fix wing aircrafts, adding EMALS on there is obviously much more cost effective than developing a STOVL jet from scratch (which most likely the only buyer for this jet is themselves).

They all chose the most cost effective method for them ╮( •́ω•̀ )╭ and none should feel stupid.

Gatekeeper said:

Maybe China is behind in engine, but not 50 years behind! For crying out loud, VTOL tech is 50 years old!

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lcloo said:

China has an Harrier GR5 in a military aircraft museum, …

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chinese D'Long companie also owned parts of "Dornier Werke", which build the famous in 1968

General characteristics

• Crew: 2
• Capacity: 36 fully-equipped troops / 24 stretchers / 3,000–5,000 kg (6,600–11,000 lb) payload
• Length: 20.88 m (68 ft 6 in)
• Wingspan: 18.06 m (59 ft 3 in)
• Height: 8.53 m (28 ft 0 in)
• Wing area: 57 m2 (610 sq ft)
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• Empty weight: 49,500 kg (109,129 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 60,500 kg (133,380 lb)
• Fuel capacity: 8,000 l (2,100 US gal; 1,800 imp gal) in five integral wing tanks
• Powerplant: 2 ×
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  , 69 kN (15,500 lbf) thrust each in underwing pods
• Powerplant: 8 ×
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  turbojet engines, 20 kN (4,400 lbf) thrust each vertically mounted in wing-tip pods

Performance

• Maximum speed: 730 km/h (450 mph, 390 kn)
• Cruise speed: 650 km/h (400 mph, 350 kn) at 6,000 m (20,000 ft)
• Range: 1,800 km (1,100 mi, 970 nmi) with maximum payload
• Service ceiling: 10,700 m (35,100 ft)
• Rate of climb: 26.667 m/s (5,249.4 ft/min) all engines

19.2 m/s (3,780 ft/min) Pegasus engines only

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could be an interesting plane to support (esp. ski jump) carriers with Transport, AEW ….

Sczepan said:

chinese D'Long companie also owned parts of "Dornier Werke", which build the famous

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in 1968 [...] could be an interesting plane to support (esp. ski jump) carriers with Transport, AEW …

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And where the Dornier Do 31 was developed, this aircraft is now being tested:


Incidentally, the company is based in the old Dornier administration building.

But the first flights with passengers without a pilot on board were in China:


China is leading in autonomous flight.

Deino said:

Again a great read ... Well done!

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Well done @Bltizo

Austin Powers said:

Catapult is nothing new. Russian Karakurt class corvette launches UAV into air by catapult due to the fact it is too small to have a helipad.

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Size matters I guess?
People are excited about KJ-600. Would it be operable from 076? Or a smaller version?

longmarch said:

Size matters I guess?
People are excited about KJ-600. Would it be operable from 076? Or a smaller version?

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Probably not.

Might have to be more satisfied with this.




Or this.

lcloo said:

China has an Harrier GR5 in a military aircraft museum, not sure where they got it from, but it is there for many decades. They must have looked through every part of it.

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Apparently it was exchanged with the UK for a Lavochkin La-9 in 1996