Type 022 Missile Boat

joshuatree said:

If an AAW missile was deployed in a box launcher format, I think its possible for the 022 to carry AAW missiles. The missile holds appear to be modular. The bigger issue would be having the appropriate sensors to maximize the effectiveness of those AAWs but the 022 is too small a platform by itself.

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I do not believe they are modular. When they were built it was well before the VLS we are seeing now on the Type 052D, or even the Type 054A. Besides, that would mean they need all sorts of new sensors which they are not designed to carry.

No, these things were built for AsuW, with some minimal CIWS AAW self defense. But they are meant to be very stealthy.

As stated, they do not have the sensors for longer range AAW engagements and depend on other sensors through data link to target their long range SSMs.

Again, I do not believe they have anything but SSMs in their launchers.

AAW for them will be limited to the 30mm CIWS, and MANPADS.

antiterror13 said:

Would it be possible and likely to install FL-3000N on Type 022 ? ... it seems doable

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As others have stated...perhaps possible...but not likely at all. Such a weapon would have to be balanced to not impact their handling, and importantly, would really compromise their stealth.

These vessels are stealthy Fast Attack for ASuW purposes, close in to shore and will rely on other sensors to locate their targets and then they dash out to attack them, with several boats launching a withering attack.

They then scoot back to base. Any AAW is going to be limited to CIWS with their 30,mm and MANPADS.

Jeff Head said:

I do not believe they are modular. When they were built it was well before the VLS we are seeing now on the Type 052D, or even the Type 054A. Besides, that would mean they need all sorts of new sensors which they are not designed to carry.

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By modular, I'm referring to the layout below. The two missile "garages" merely house a quad of box launchers respectively. Technically, it's not that much of a stretch to load an AAW instead of an ASM into the box launcher which will fit in the "garage" just the same.

Jeff Head said:

As stated, they do not have the sensors for longer range AAW engagements and depend on other sensors through data link to target their long range SSMs.

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Yes, I mentioned the constraints of such a small platform for relevant AAW sensors is really what limits it from fielding AAWs aside from the CIWS and MANPADS. Though if the vessel is using data link to other sensors (whether it be vessels or shore), then it could effectively carry AAWs.

joshuatree said:

By modular, I'm referring to the layout below. The two missile "garages" merely house a quad of box launchers respectively. Technically, it's not that much of a stretch to load an AAW instead of an ASM into the box launcher which will fit in the "garage" just the same.

Yes, I mentioned the constraints of such a small platform for relevant AAW sensors is really what limits it from fielding AAWs aside from the CIWS and MANPADS. Though if the vessel is using data link to other sensors (whether it be vessels or shore), then it could effectively carry AAWs.

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The vessel was designed as an ASuW platform.

These launch areas were specifically designed for ASMs. Yes, you might be able to design a fitting to mate AAW missiles, but then other considerations also come into play.

The sensor and the electronics are simply not there...nor were they intended to be there. While it is true they could use data link to retrieve the location and speed of the target, they would still need a lot of intervening electronics to feed that to the missiles, and that does not even begin to cover the guidance depending on the type of missile.

I am very confidant...to the point of almost 100% confidence...that we will never see AAW missiles loaded into those launch spaces, and we will also likely never see more sophisticated AAW missiles added to the Type 022 some other place.

They were simply not designed or intended to offer anything other than the 30mm CIWS and MANPADS for AAW defense given their mission.

Long range AAMs on the 022s are indeed unlikely, but mostly because they will be largely pointless.

As others have already pointed out, targeting and guidance is going to be the primary problems.

There are extremely few scenarios where it would be useful to be able to pop off SAMs a few hundred miles ahead of the nearest friendly dedicated air defense asset.

You might be able to sucker punch some income strike aircraft, hitting them before they think they are in danger. But that's a massive gamble, as placing 022s so far ahead of friendly support would leave them exceptionally vulnerable. And it's a one shot trick, if that. You do it once and the enemy will be wise to it and sweep ahead.

On balance, it's just not worth the hassle.

They might make a test ship or two just as a proof of concept test for co-operative engagement, which they then could use as described above to troll an enemy during combat and make them waste time and resources sweeping for SAM carrying 022s ahead of every strike package. But it won't be something they will devote anything like meaningful resources or numbers towards.

A more interesting and practically useful conversion might be to fit land attack cruise missiles on the 022 and base them on the new islands build in the SCS as survivable mobile long range strike assets against hostile land bases like airfields and Coastal defense missiles without having to use up valuable VLS cells on larger warships, which would be much better served carrying SAMs.

During a strike operation, you use up a lot of cruise missiles very quickly. Rather than sending one of your small number of top DDGs or CGs all the way back to a mainland port to rearm, which will take days and take its powerful radar and battle management systems with them, they could just sent a dozen 022s back to one of the new island bases and have them rearmed and back in the fight within hours.

plawolf said:

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A more interesting and practically useful conversion might be to fit land attack cruise missiles on the 022 and base them on the new islands build in the SCS as survivable mobile long range strike assets against hostile land bases like airfields and Coastal defense missiles without having to use up valuable VLS cells on larger warships, which would be much better served carrying SAMs.

During a strike operation, you use up a lot of cruise missiles very quickly. Rather than sending one of your small number of top DDGs or CGs all the way back to a mainland port to rearm, which will take days and take its powerful radar and battle management systems with them, they could just sent a dozen 022s back to one of the new island bases and have them rearmed and back in the fight within hours.

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What a nice and wonderful idea !!

New images from a video of a Type 022 monitoring a Vietnamese fishing vessel in the Paracel Islands.





Some more images are available on the original CJDBY thread:

newguy02 said:

New images from a video of a Type 022 monitoring a Vietnamese fishing vessel in the Paracel Islands.

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More likely to be a chance encounter. It would be poor use of a 022 to monitor a fishing boat for many reasons, unless the "fishing boat" was on a reconnaissance mission.

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looks nice but not all parts are to scale.