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Gloire_bb

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They are immune to whatever BM the Turks can come up with in the next 10 years. They better improve their aerial situation and upgraded F-16 with AESA aren't going to cut it. Kizilelma+AESA+IRST+LRAAM are needed at the minimum.
I think at least mass of BMs can work - Turkish territory is simply closer than Iran. Not as close as Hezbollah of course, but this is solvable through quantity.

But indeed, right now situation turned from "all fine" into "oh crap" essentially overnight, and entire Turkish rearmament is suddenly wildly late.

Everything is bad - even gökdagan missile is turning from national pride into emergency need "more, yesterday" - AF just don't have enough AMRAAMs to fight Israel...
 

sequ

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I think at least mass of BMs can work - Turkish territory is simply closer than Iran. Not as close as Hezbollah of course, but this is solvable through quantity.
Turkish BM's aren't as cheap as Fatehs and there are too few of them available. Besides, they'd need to shift their doctrine almost 180 degrees to incorporate mass BM fires into their capabilities, which their conservative airforce isn't willing to pull.

Everything is bad - even gökdagan missile is turning from national pride into emergency need "more, yesterday" - AF just don't have enough AMRAAMs to fight Israel...
They are just now starting to use their indigenous ESM/ECM pods on their F-16's. They have a long way to go. Besides, the AMRAAM is known inside out by the Zio's. They are immune to them.
 

Gloire_bb

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Turkish BM aren't as cheap as Fateh's and there are too few of them available. Besides, they'd need to shift their doctrine almost 180 degrees to incorporate mass BM fires into their capabilities, which their conservative airforce isn't willing to pull.
Do they have a choice though?
Before siper, ozgur and gökdogan come in significant numbers (which will take many years) - TAF won't stop Kheil Haavir even of Turkish home turf.
I am not really a South Europe/ME expert, but fast check of TAF v Israel leaves it just barely better off than Egypt... it's like very very bad, and Mr. Trump won't really help. Or help Israel.

Like it's hard to even blame anyone, b/c Washington turning out that spineless wasn't in anyone's cards. But that's where regional security suddenly appears to be. Everyone is in a cage with a wild lion, alone.
 

CasualObserver

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Like it's hard to even blame anyone
Really, though? All of this could've been easily mitigated at various points already; there have been numerous opportunities for this over the past 20+ years.

Even now, it has already been two years since the F-16V deal passed the Congress (only to be eventually scrapped), and even longer since the Eurofighter Typhoon was last considered for the TuAF's agenda.

What's causing this delay, if not the crippling bureaucracy within the TSK itself?

It seems like only the Navy branch is unaffected by this, but even then, there have been years-long delays to their plans (i.e., there's a reason why the TF-2000 destroyer is called the TF-2000! Back then it was to be equipped with SM-2s!)

Turkey could’ve had F-15Es by now if not for the 1999 earthquake.

In the late 00s/early 10s, some degree of local production and access to source codes were offered for the Eurofighter. Putting all your eggs into one basket (the F-35) has been the biggest mistake one could make, though it's easy to understand why they took that route.

By 2018, it was already clear that the Israeli, Greek, and Armenian lobbies would do everything in their power to kick Turkey out of the JSF program. So why did Turkey do nothing about it except 'come to an agreement with the US president'? At the very least, they could have avoided procuring the S-400s (only to give the Americans a pretext) and not literally handed billions to the Russians to stop their airspace violations and diplomatic pressure.
 
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sequ

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TEI General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit: (KAAN’s Engine)

The first prototypes produced are naturally expensive. For example, the cost of the first TF6000 engine is approximately 5 million dollars.

When it comes to KAAN’s engine, this figure can go up to 50 million dollars. In an aircraft engine project, it is generally necessary to produce 25-30 engines before they are ready for flight and complete the certification process.

Therefore, the cost of the prototypes alone in KAAN’s engine project reaches billion-dollar levels.

 

mshrief303

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Does Turkyie uses a turkish engine in it's solid fuel missile program? or Do they use a foreign engine or an engine built under license?
I wanted to find information and I couldn't find it.
 

CasualObserver

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Does Turkyie uses a turkish engine in it's solid fuel missile program? or Do they use a foreign engine or an engine built under license?
I wanted to find information and I couldn't find it.
The dependence on foreign engines in Turkish aircraft applies only to the CCAs (Kizilelma and Anka III), Akinci UAV, T-129 + T-929/925 helicopters, Hürjet AJT/LCA, and Kaan. Indigenous engines are currently under development for each of these, with the exception of the Hürjet.

All other Turkish aerial systems (such as rockets, surface-to-air missiles, cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-radiation missiles, VWR and BVR air-to-air missiles, fixed-wing and rotary-wing UAVs, the T-625 utility helicopter, and others) already use indigenous engines and rocket motors, including solid- and liquid-fuel ramjets.

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search/203265/?q=rocket+motor&t=post&c[thread]=7329&o=date

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search/203266/?q=missile+engine&t=post&c[thread]=7329&o=date

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search/203267/?q=gökdogan&t=post&c[thread]=7329&o=date

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/search/203268/?q=gökhan&t=post&c[thread]=7329&o=date

You can use the limited search function for more info.
 

mshrief303

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All other Turkish aerial systems (such as rockets, surface-to-air missiles, cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-radiation missiles, VWR and BVR air-to-air missiles, fixed-wing and rotary-wing UAVs, the T-625 utility helicopter, and others) already use indigenous engines and rocket motors, including solid- and liquid-fuel ramjets.
That's very good, thanks for the answer.
Actually I'm used to browse the forum without an account, and I didn't notice there was a functionality to search the forum...that was on me.
 

Gloire_bb

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The dependence on foreign engines in Turkish aircraft applies only to the CCAs (Kizilelma and Anka III), Akinci UAV, T-129 + T-929/925 helicopters, Hürjet AJT/LCA, and Kaan. Indigenous engines are currently under development for each of these, with the exception of the Hürjet.

All other Turkish aerial systems (such as rockets, surface-to-air missiles, cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-radiation missiles, VWR and BVR air-to-air missiles, fixed-wing and rotary-wing UAVs, the T-625 utility helicopter, and others) already use indigenous engines and rocket motors, including solid- and liquid-fuel ramjets.
Already is probably a bit too much of a word.
Of those, only cruise missiles and short to medium range SAMs reached service as of now(i.e. small drones, cruise missile turbojets and SRFs). Everything else - soon(bozdogan/gokdogan - almost around the corner), but not yet.
 
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