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taxiya

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So will it be the Eurosam or the S-400 for Turkey?o_O
From the history of the Turkish missile defense contract negotiation, I think Tech transfer is the decisive factor. Turkey will choose one in the end regardless of tech transfer if that is not possible, but Turkey will try everything before signing a contract or even afterwards (cancelling the contract as seen in HQ-9).

I don't know what Chinese promised or not promised in the HQ-9 case, but Turkey did say "tech transfer" was one of the factor in the decision. For whatever reasons, that did not pan out. So Turkey is doing the same again with Russia and Europe, that is the same purpose. Apparently, "tech transfer from US" is a dead-end from the look of the drama. But I believe, if US offered it, Turkey would have seriously considered.

So, I don't see "interoperability with NATO system" is a real concern at all in the Turkish consideration. It is more of an excuse of US objection. If we connect all the dots we will see that "technology self reliance" is the core drive in every Turkish military project recently, the B611M ballistic missile, the ship buildings, the tank, the 5th fighter jet etc.

Now, the S-400 vs. Eurosam is just another round of play that we have seen before. I guess, the outcome would be:
1. whoever offers a "tech transfer" without demanding a "chop your arm and leg" price, will win.
2. in case the 1st does not materialize, whoever has the best Performance/Cost will win. That may be S-400, or even HQ-9 IF China is not too pissed off enough to come back.
 
Jul 25, 2017
well Turkey's Erdogan says signatures signed on Russian defense system
July 25, 2017 / 11:50 AM / 5 hours ago
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and DOD concerned by Turkey purchase of Russian air defense system
07/31/17
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The Pentagon is concerned by Turkey’s decision to buy a Russian air defense system, Defense Department spokesman Jeff Davis said Monday.

Davis said that Defense officials “certainly are aware of the reports” that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is currently in talks with Russia to buy the S-400 surface-to-air missile system.

“Our only concern about it is one of interoperability,” Davis told reporters at the Pentagon. “Turkey is a NATO ally. Generally speaking, it’s a good idea for allies to buy interoperable equipment.”

Davis said the Pentagon would encourage that Turkey instead “buy things and invest in things that will further invest in our alliance,” as Russian technology may not work with other weapons and equipment used by NATO countries.

“What’s been reported here is something that’s not interoperable with anything that we have and that’s obviously cause for concern,” Davis said.

The S-400 system is designed to shoot down enemy aircraft and has a range of about 250 miles.

British media outlet Jane’s 360
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that Turkey’s deal with Russia is all but complete as the two countries are working through a few minor issues. Turkey has also rejected the argument that the S-400 might not work with other NATO systems.
 
Jul 25, 2017
No.....Erdogan probably confused S-400 and Eurosam...or only stupid bluff.

Kremlin Declines to Comment on Erdogan's Claim on S-400 Supplies to Turkey
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Turkey signs deal to get Russian S-400 air defence missiles

12 September 2017
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Turkey has signed a controversial deal with Russia to arm its forces with Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missiles.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said a deposit had already been paid. The deal is thought to be worth $2.5bn (£1.9bn).

Turkey has the second-largest army in Nato. The alliance reacted sceptically to the decision, saying the system was not compatible with its equipment.

Turkey has been establishing closer links with Russia after its recent souring of ties with the US and Europe.

Mr Erdogan's government objects to US military support for the YPG Syrian Kurdish rebels, who are linked to rebel Kurds in Turkey.

Russia says the S-400 system has a range of 400km (248 miles) and can shoot down up to 80 targets simultaneously, aiming two missiles at each one.

Russia deployed the S-400 at its air force base near Latakia in Syria in December 2015, after Turkish jets had shot down a Russian Su-24 warplane on the Syria-Turkey border.

That incident caused a diplomatic rift between Russia and Turkey, but President Erdogan later patched up his quarrel with President Vladimir Putin.

Tensions within Nato
A military adviser to Mr Putin, Vladimir Kozhin, said the S-400 contract with Turkey was "strictly compatible with our strategic interests". "On that score, one can quite understand the reaction of some Western countries who are trying to put pressure on Turkey."

Mr Erdogan, quoted by Turkey's Hurriyet daily, voiced displeasure with unnamed Western partners who were "seeking enormous amounts of money" for military drones.

He said Turkey had killed 90 YPG "terrorists" in the past week with Turkish drones - developed because the Western ones were too expensive.

"We are responsible for taking security measures for the defence of our country," he stressed.

The BBC's Mark Lowen in Turkey says the missile deal is clearly a rebuff to Nato, after the US and Germany withdrew Patriot air defence batteries from Turkey.

In 2015, Turkey urged its Nato allies to keep those batteries positioned on the Turkish-Syrian border.

Speaking to AFP news agency, an unnamed Nato official said: "No Nato ally currently operates the S-400". They added: "Nato has not been informed about the details of any purchase."

Germany's Foreign Minister, Sigmar Gabriel, said Berlin would put all arms exports to Turkey on hold due to the deteriorating relationship between the two nations.

Mr Gabriel's counterpart in Ankara, Mevlut Cavusoglu, said the comments were inappropriate for a foreign minister.

Relations between the two countries have deteriorated since Turkey arrested a Turkish-German journalist in February as part of a crackdown on political opponents in the country.

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President Erdogan called Germany's ruling politicians "enemies of Turkey".

Turkey is also angry with the US for not extraditing Fethullah Gulen, the Muslim cleric who, according to Mr Erdogan, organised the July 2016 coup plot by rogue Turkish officers. Mr Gulen denied any involvement.
 

FORBIN

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Excellent !

UPG ships have 32 ESSMs, Perry/Gabya Class improved with a new Mk-41 as RAAN Adelaide and on MEKO 200 TN before 16 Sea Sparrow.

CN-235 MPA/ATR-72-600 TMPA, ASW with anti ships missiles also, S-70B have Torpedoes and Penguin, AB-212 Torp + Sea Skua

And a big boy :)

Turkish Navy modernization and shipbuilding plans through 2030

Without doubt, Turkey today has the strongest and most numerous naval forces in the Eastern Mediterranean. Turkish Navy has more frigates, submarines and fast attack missile boats (Egypt has more FACM but most of them are not serviceable) than any other navy with significant naval fleet in the region such as the Hellenic Navy, Egyptian Navy and Israeli Navy. Not only Turkey has more warships but also those vessels have been modernized or upgraded recently as it will be described thoroughly in the next paragraphs. But Turkey has even greater naval ambitions. This article will summarize the most important developments in the Turkish Navy force structure and its impressive shipbuilding plans from 2010 with a look toward 2030. It should be mentioned here that when I refer to "upgrade" I mean new electronics - sensors and weapons while "modernization" is either new weapons or new electronics and not both.
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