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Turkey Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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"A lot can go wrong but why would it?"
- No engineer, ever.
Countries, even those which already have experience under their belts that Turkey only hopes to acquire in future with Hurjet, are planning for comparable developments to take longer (and often find themselves missing even these less ambitious deadlines). What does Turkey intend to do differently to achieve an outcome which is eluding the rest of the world? EVERYONE is using CAE (CAD/CAM, CFD, FEM etc.) - if that was the panacea you are making it out to be, we'd be seeing newcomers taking 5th generation fighter projects from inception to service entry in less than 10 years all over the place, and needless to say we aren't.
You don't get radically different results by taking basically the same approach as everybody else, so what's the unique Turkish enabler that explains it all?
Boeing sang essentially the same tune with the 787: CAE would somehow magically allow them to bring the aircraft to market faster than historically typical, even while they embarked on a wholesale revision of every aspect of manufacturing a modern airliner. We all know how that turned out...
So do please spell it out for us - what do TAI and Baykar know here that Boeing doesn't? Also funny how the UK and Italy do not have similarly fantastical plans for Tempest... why isn't Turkey advising THEM?
These happened 40 to 50 years ago, the world was a different place back then. Might as well use the P-51 as an example - that famously took only 117 days from go-ahead to first flight...
Oh yeah? How about the the wing drop issue that somehow the extensive CFD analysis failed to pick up, despite the magical powers you are ascribing to it?
Well, as several knowledgeable posters have proven now, your evidence rests on premises so overoptimistic as to be catastrophically flawed, and hence your "proofs" are invalid.
- No engineer, ever.
Countries, even those which already have experience under their belts that Turkey only hopes to acquire in future with Hurjet, are planning for comparable developments to take longer (and often find themselves missing even these less ambitious deadlines). What does Turkey intend to do differently to achieve an outcome which is eluding the rest of the world? EVERYONE is using CAE (CAD/CAM, CFD, FEM etc.) - if that was the panacea you are making it out to be, we'd be seeing newcomers taking 5th generation fighter projects from inception to service entry in less than 10 years all over the place, and needless to say we aren't.
You don't get radically different results by taking basically the same approach as everybody else, so what's the unique Turkish enabler that explains it all?
Boeing sang essentially the same tune with the 787: CAE would somehow magically allow them to bring the aircraft to market faster than historically typical, even while they embarked on a wholesale revision of every aspect of manufacturing a modern airliner. We all know how that turned out...
So do please spell it out for us - what do TAI and Baykar know here that Boeing doesn't? Also funny how the UK and Italy do not have similarly fantastical plans for Tempest... why isn't Turkey advising THEM?
These happened 40 to 50 years ago, the world was a different place back then. Might as well use the P-51 as an example - that famously took only 117 days from go-ahead to first flight...
Oh yeah? How about the the wing drop issue that somehow the extensive CFD analysis failed to pick up, despite the magical powers you are ascribing to it?
Well, as several knowledgeable posters have proven now, your evidence rests on premises so overoptimistic as to be catastrophically flawed, and hence your "proofs" are invalid.
TÜBİTAK SAGE is preparing to shoot SOM-C1 and C2, which are versions of the National Navigation Missile SOM that can hit moving surface targets.
TÜBİTAK SAGE Director Gürcan Okumuş answered the questions of M5 Publication Coordinator Abdullah Şentürk.
When will we be able to see Şentürk's first SOM-C1 and SOM-C2 shots? Okumuş gave the following answer to the question:
“Development activities for SOM-B1 and SOM-B2 missiles to hit moving surface targets and to gain KEMENT data link capability continue. In this context, it is aimed to carry out SOM-C1 and SOM-C2 shots in 2022.”
TÜBİTAK SAGE Director Gürcan Okumuş answered the questions of M5 Publication Coordinator Abdullah Şentürk.
When will we be able to see Şentürk's first SOM-C1 and SOM-C2 shots? Okumuş gave the following answer to the question:
“Development activities for SOM-B1 and SOM-B2 missiles to hit moving surface targets and to gain KEMENT data link capability continue. In this context, it is aimed to carry out SOM-C1 and SOM-C2 shots in 2022.”
Not much because it is not trying to achieve an outcome that is eluding the rest of the world.
If they have the money, political will, a sufficiently large industrial and technological base and experienced external help, then they could do it too in 14-15 years like Turkey plans to.
First of all you are comparing a wide-body jet airliner with a supersonic trainer-fighter. Secondly it is Boeing. What do you expect? They designed a new aircraft, slapped an old but refurbished label on it to avoid certification, leading to 346 people dead and billions of dollars $ and reputation losses.
Not hiring 9$ per hour Indian programmers.
What fantastical plans? Why should Turkey advise them?
But the laws of physics stayed the same. The Hurjet is planned to use the same engine as that 40-50 year old fighter. Turkey is in a hurry.
but not that much in a hurry...
It did suffer financial constrains early on which lead it to being delayed and it is Boeing. What else do you expect? Why don't you compare the Hurjet with the T-50? They are very similar aircraft in every metric but 20 years apart. The T-50 project began in 1992 but due to financial constraint they could only really develop the aircraft since 1997, had their first flight in 2002 and introduced it in 2005. The Hurjet mimics the same timeline, just 20 years later with an equally experienced foreign partner for help.
You mean presumed knowledgeable posters who didn't bother to research the topic more closely and are heavily biased?
Now you go back to ignore!
Turbojet Engine procurement process started for KUZGUN
Engine supply has started for the Turbojet Engine version of the Modern Modular Joint Cost Effective Ammunition KUZGUN, which will be developed by TÜBİTAK SAGE.
TÜBİTAK SAGE Director Gürcan Okumuş answered the questions of M5 Publication Coordinator Abdullah Şentürk.
You shared different versions of the Modular Joint Munitions KUZGUN at the Lagari Aviation Days organized by Şentürk at Bursa Technical University. Which engine do you want to use in the turbojet KUZGUN? Is there a suitable domestic engine? What is your expectation from the KUZGUN family? Okumuş gave the following answer to his questions:
“For the KUZGUN Turbojet engine, an agreement has been reached with a foreign company for the first prototypes and the supply process continues without any problems. Since it would not be right to give the name of the company at this stage, the final decision will be made after the ground tests of the engines. Negotiations with two local companies are continuing, and work has been started to acquire alternative domestic suppliers simultaneously.
Our expectation from the KUZGUN family is to eliminate all kinds of targets with the flexibility to be gained thanks to its modularity, with the lowest cost and effective use of all elements of technology. In this way, we want to solve the modern, effective and easy-to-use ammunition needs of our armed forces in the asymmetric war environment with this ammunition family.”
The Kuzgun turbojet variant will have a range of 245km.
What’s the purpose of getting a aircraft carrier so desperately? The greatest enemy of Turkey is the Hellenic Republic, even if the US-Turkey relationship got worse, Turkey is still a nato member,it doesn’t need to go against the US/EU/Rus .Plus ,a drone carrier doesn’t get you anywhere in high intensity warfare ,the hurjet surely wouldn’t help. As far as I can tell, more capital could be used in the new space program, an independent launch capability is much more helpful than making up the long-gone F-35 deal.
Turkey is not bothered anymore by the Greeks, no matter how many advanced fighters they buy. Hundreds of SOM's and Bora's will prevent any Greek air-superiority over the Aegean.
A Turkish carrier is not primarily for a prospected war against any of the major powers, but it'll act like the long arm of the growing Turkish power. It comes in very handy when Turkey needs to suppress an enemy group or small nation that threatens its interests. A carrier sailing along the coast of Libya would've prevented the LNA from ever going on an offensive. A carrier sailing in front of the UAE coast would've made the Emirates think twice to support anti-Turkish causes. A Turkish carrier moored in Qatar will make the Saudi's think trice to invade Qatar. These are the cases wherein Turkey needed a carrier, let alone the growing need in the coming years.
As for the space program, Turkey is probably going to use Somalia as a space port because it is close to the equator. No need to explain what a carrier can do in such a volatile and tense region.
As for your 'arguments' about the capability of carrier drones and a carrier variant of the Hurjet and space-budget, I won't even bother replying to them.
Since you have no answers! Period.
But while you accuse us critics of being biased, this post in fact shows your true face: dreaming of "Hundreds of SOM's and Bora's will prevent any Greek air-superiority over the Aegean", "a carrier sailing along the coast of Libya would've prevented the LNA from ever going on an offensive. A carrier sailing in front of the UAE coast would've made the Emirates think twice to support anti-Turkish causes. A Turkish carrier moored in Qatar will make the Saudi's think trice to invade Qatar. These are the cases wherein Turkey needed a carrier, let alone the growing need in the coming years." ... in my ears all this sounds indeed exactly like some sort of if not