Trump 2.0 official thread

[tusk99]

anyone know why the american government is letting trump threaten and potentially invade greenland? is it mass psychosis or is it ideological or do they not particularly care, or does it make sense materialistically (dying empire etc.)?

 

[siegecrossbow]

anyone know why the american government is letting trump threaten and potentially invade greenland? is it mass psychosis or is it ideological or do they not particularly care, or does it make sense materialistically (dying empire etc.)?

Have you noticed a key difference between Trump first term and second term? Last time there were way more scrutinization from media and resistance from within the government because not all the billionaires are onboard with his crazy policies. This time, all the real rulers of the country are onboard! They feel the alternative of losing wealth and status way more than that of a mad man running things into the literal ground.

 

[dingyibvs]

The delicious irony is that the EU really really cannot afford to employ its most powerful trade weapons against America. Not yet anyways.

Aside from the enormous and frankly unsustainable direct economic costs of doing so, from a game theory perspective alone that’s a no-no, because the economic ‘bazooka’ is the EU only deployable weapon against the U.S. of any worth or note.

Because if they fire their one and only shot trying to dissuade America, America might as well actually go and take Greenland since the EU will be hard pressed to actually cause America any additional pain.

This means America can basically safely deploy tariffs against the EU with minimal threat of proportionate reprisals.

If it was anyone else doing it, I would have actually thought that invading Greenland was the ploy to force the EU to hold back economic reprisals as America raid its economies. But it’s hard to seriously think Trump would go for such a subtle game plan.

Sure they can fire it, and they should. Trump doesn't respect those who don't fight back. China fought back and Trump backed down. If the EU launches the bazooka what do you think will happen to the US stock market, particularly the Mag 7? The only substance behind the AI bubble is the real money from the likes of Google, MS, Amazon, Meta, and Tesla flowing to Nvidia (and Google also to its own TPU). If those companies are hurt (Apple will too as their cash cow app store will be taxed) then they'll have to tighten their belts and the bubble will collapse spectacularly. And that's just stocks. Bond yields on both sides will also soar as money will flee treasury holdings, probably into assets like gold.

The thing is, it's not really like a Bazooka. You can't unfire a Bazooka, but you can roll back economic measures. Trump can reverse all that by TACOing, as he's done many times before. Trump doesn't strike me as someone who would value Greenland more than financial carnage.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Sure they can fire it, and they should. Trump doesn't respect those who don't fight back. China fought back and Trump backed down. If the EU launches the bazooka what do you think will happen to the US stock market, particularly the Mag 7? The only substance behind the AI bubble is the real money from the likes of Google, MS, Amazon, Meta, and Tesla flowing to Nvidia (and Google also to its own TPU). If those companies are hurt (Apple will too as their cash cow app store will be taxed) then they'll have to tighten their belts and the bubble will collapse spectacularly. And that's just stocks. Bond yields on both sides will also soar as money will flee treasury holdings, probably into assets like gold.

The thing is, it's not really like a Bazooka. You can't unfire a Bazooka, but you can roll back economic measures. Trump can reverse all that by TACOing, as he's done many times before. Trump doesn't strike me as someone who would value Greenland more than financial carnage.

They wouldn’t dare if they wanted to. A lot of their assets are tied up in U.S. stocks/banks, not to mention the sheer amount of dirt CIA has on their politicians.

 

[scott ryan]

All news/analysis associated with Trump admin’s second term should come here to declutter the news thread.

 

[Ringsword]

Oh great, now he's looking at Diego Garcia too!

What's next? Singapore? Or the Ryukyus?

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I am very sure that sometime in the night ,sometime ago...I've died and gone to an afterlife called the "OnionWorld" because no US president could be so stupidly, buffoonish ,aggressive and still be real.....great for China,though-literally do nothing and win.

 

[Ringsword]

Doesn't UV rays damage sperm cells? I think Tucker may actually be on to something here.

OMG,aside from genetic damage to offspring from prolonged exposure to high-intensity UV(ABC) radiation to sperm cells the future will have a spike of testicular and penile cancers of these vulnerable-lily-white-skinned weiner roasting MAGA retards-China can make a huge profit in the future treating these fools medically or according to RFK.Jr just drink more "whole milk" and rub/eat beef tallow and parsley on affected areas-what can possibly go wrong??

 

[iewgnem]

anyone know why the american government is letting trump threaten and potentially invade greenland? is it mass psychosis or is it ideological or do they not particularly care, or does it make sense materialistically (dying empire etc.)?

It's actually pretty easy to model American behavior if you just use two axioms:
- They have an instinctive need to steal
- They fear pain.

The idea of taking Greenland might be dumb, but for everyone else in America, it checks those two axioms off: it does satisfy their innate desire to steal, they fear the pain they'd experience if they oppose it, and they know Europe can't impose any pain to them supporting it.

Now compare that to how docile US became vis-a-vis China after China imposed pain

 

[SCE2Aux]

I'm no historian or whatever, but when trying to make sense of [gestures broadly] all of this insanity, of which the Greenland issue is just the latest, I tend to look broader than a single point of failure. It's not just an instinctive need to steal, or imperialism. It's not fear of Great Power competition. It's not the radicalization stemming from a hollowed out working and middle class. It's not educational failure, or political atrophy. It's not a diminution of the quality of the news media. It's not isolationism, or metastasized fascistic American exceptionalism, or demagoguery.

It's all the above, and likely more besides. It's a multi-axis collapse of the whole edifice. I'd have a detached fascination of the speed in which it's happening, if the same crap wasn't happening in my country as well.

 

[solarz]

I'm no historian or whatever, but when trying to make sense of [gestures broadly] all of this insanity, of which the Greenland issue is just the latest, I tend to look broader than a single point of failure. It's not just an instinctive need to steal, or imperialism. It's not fear of Great Power competition. It's not the radicalization stemming from a hollowed out working and middle class. It's not educational failure, or political atrophy. It's not a diminution of the quality of the news media. It's not isolationism, or metastasized fascistic American exceptionalism, or demagoguery.

It's all the above, and likely more besides. It's a multi-axis collapse of the whole edifice. I'd have a detached fascination of the speed in which it's happening, if the same crap wasn't happening in my country as well.

This isn't insanity. On the contrary, this is compellingly rational. DT is pulling America out of the global hegemony game and reinforcing its status as the dominant power of the American hemisphere. More specifically, he is pulling out of Europe and fortifying the American position at home (hence Venezuela and Greenland). He is NOT, however, pulling out of the Middle East and the Western Pacific, indicating that those are far more vital interests to the US than Europe.