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“What’s illegal are the drugs that were on the boat, and the drugs that are being sent into our country, and the fact that 300 million people died last year from drugs, that’s what’s illegal,” Trump said.

 

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DJT hinting at TikTok deal being reached

Details were not disclosed, but the most likely case is that they are going back to the deal hashed out in April. Which was on track until Trump's whole Liberation Day debacle derailed it.

The White House had finalized a deal by Wednesday, they said, and President Donald Trump was planning to sign an executive order to approve that deal and initiate a 120-day closing period. The plan was to convert TikTok’s operations in the United States into a new, U.S.-based company owned and operated by a majority of American investors, with ByteDance maintaining a minority position, the people said.

But on Thursday, the morning after the president raised tariffs on China another 34 percent as part of his sprawling reciprocal trade announcement, ByteDance representatives called the White House. Beijing, they said, would no longer approve the deal until there could be wider negotiations about trade and tariffs.

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Basically, US investors buy a majority stake while Bytedance keeps control over daily operations.

One of the three people familiar with the discussions with Oracle said the deal would essentially require the U.S. government to depend on Oracle to oversee the data of American users and ensure the Chinese government doesn’t have a backdoor to it — a promise the person warned would be impossible to keep. “If the Oracle deal moves forward, you still have this [algorithm] controlled by the Chinese. That means all you are doing is saying ‘trust Oracle’ to disseminate the data and guarantee there is no ‘back door’ to the data,” the person told POLITICO.

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[sunnymaxi]

Details were not disclosed, but the most likely case is that they are going back to the deal hashed out in April. Which was on track until Trump's whole Liberation Day debacle derailed it.

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Basically, US investors buy a majority stake while Bytedance keeps control over daily operations.

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waiting for details.

but explanation from @taxiya looks reasonable.. let see

not a single bit of backing down. See the key wording and their meaning in Chinese diplomatic vocabulary.


candid (discussions) 坦率交谈
meaning: 分歧很大，无法沟通；huge disagreement, impossible to communicate

in-depth discussions 充分交换了意见
meaning: 双方无法达成协议，吵得厉害；Impossible to agree, big bickering


Take away the diplomatic jargons and put it in straight words, never trade principles for deals.

To me it is crystal clear that there is no change of positions.

 

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waiting for details.

but explanation from @taxiya looks reasonable.. let see

They obviously agreed on something, or else both sides would not have announced it. The question is what.

 

[siegecrossbow]

They obviously agreed on something, or else both sides would not have announced it. The question is what.

They are gonna ban promotion of Taco restaurants and food trucks from TikTok ads.

 

[taxiya]

They obviously agreed on something, or else both sides would not have announced it. The question is what.

I can't find China announcing anything agreed. Trump's april anouncement of "deal" was also single sided and many of his other announcements in all these years, what makes you believe his saying something real this time?

My attitude is not that whatever he says has zero chance to turn to reality, but rather that I don't give a dime of whatever he says or does. In other words look at the big picture, hold one's line and don't let him drag everyone to the MAGA level.

 

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I can't find China announcing anything agreed. Trump's april anouncement of "deal" was also single sided and many of his other announcements in all these years, what makes you believe his saying something real this time?

My attitude is not that whatever he says has zero chance to turn to reality, but rather that I don't give a dime of whatever he says or does. In other words look at the big picture, hold one's line and don't let him drag everyone to the MAGA level.

It was in Xinhua. The question is what exactly 基本框架共识 means in this context.

新华社快讯：中国商务部国际贸易谈判代表兼副部长李成钢15日说，本次会谈，双方围绕TikTok及中方有关关切进行了坦诚、深入交流，就以合作方式妥善解决TikTok相关问题，减少投资障碍，促进有关经贸合作等达成了基本框架共识。

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[taxiya]

It was in Xinhua. The question is what exactly 基本框架共识 means in this context.

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基本框架共识 as you know is Basic Framework of Understanding, that is another fluffy diplomatic term that can be interpreted in different ways by either parties. China repeatedly used this phrase during the first term of Trump, something like "落实两国元首达成的共识“(implement understanding established by the two presidents" in the later "tug of war"/"who did not do promised". From that experience, I don't see much substance in this phrase. For Trump he can use this understanding to excuse another "kick the can down the road", while China can act as "dialog in good faith" instead of being seen as combactive posture.

Most importantly, this framework covers three items from China's statement, while did US' statement mention the other two? If not, you can see the "one takes what one want" already.

 

[uguduwa]

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So committing war crime after war crime.

 

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基本框架共识 as you know is Basic Framework of Understanding, that is another fluffy diplomatic term that can be interpreted in different ways by either parties. China repeatedly used this phrase during the first term of Trump, something like "落实两国元首达成的共识“(implement understanding established by the two presidents" in the later "tug of war"/"who did not do promised". From that experience, I don't see much substance in this phrase. For Trump he can use this understanding to excuse another "kick the can down the road", while China can act as "dialog in good faith" instead of being seen as combactive posture.

Most importantly, this framework covers three items from China's statement, while did US' statement mention the other two? If not, you can see the "one takes what one want" already.

Yes, which is why the question is what exactly it means in this context. Like I already said. It could be a signed deal. It could be more can-kicking. But something was agreed.

And yes, US did mention the other two, if only to kick the can again.

The negotiations were largely focused on TikTok, Mr. Bessent said, and trade talks will be the subject of the next meeting with China, which could take place in about a month. Mr. Greer said that China’s export controls on rare earth minerals and magnets came up during the talks and would be the focus of an upcoming meeting.

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