Trump 2.0 official thread

Captainquirk

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The kind of incompetence we saw from Biden in taking on both Russia and China simultaneously is now being mirrored by Trump in his approach to trade.

First of all, if 70 of them called to make deals, they are aware of each other then it's not one-on-one deals anymore even if they sit alone at the table.

Secondly, US allies already "work" together on China... and they make no headway whatsoever. Any democrat president would have gotten better cooperation just by talking to them. By threatening them and then calling them ass kissers when they come to negotiate, Trump has set them up to at most look cooperative in word, but not in spirit.

Lastly, Trump supporters are so stupid they've forgotten what this was all about; this is all about China. What kind of "victory" is it to bully Canada/Vietnam/Japan/Korea? You came for the bear skin rug but you're cheering over a keychain full of rat skulls. And you don't even have the skulls yet; you just see the rats. What did you get out of China?

Yeah, we'll see but so far, Trump's record has been failure at every crisis. He failed his first trade war against China; he failed the tech war and it's still falling from the stairs for America even through another president's term; and he failed bigly during COVID management. You think this time he's got it? LOL He's on the clock; all this panic is to stop China from outgrowing the US economically and technologically and while both were already happening, now he has to contend with America going backwards into recession just to slow China's growth by an estimated 0.5%.
Why not one on one? Trump announced his plans to the whole world. It was never a secret. He's going to make individual deals with each. What he wants from EU is not the same as what he wants from Vietnam.

And being the salesman he is, he is going to line them up. This month EU, next month Japan, and so on.

Trump can bully these countries. They can complain, but so what. You are a fan of hard power right. What can they do other than bend the knee.

If they decide to sign free trade agreement with China, then we talking.
 

lcloo

Captain
Why not one on one? Trump announced his plans to the whole world. It was never a secret. He's going to make individual deals with each. What he wants from EU is not the same as what he wants from Vietnam.

And being the salesman he is, he is going to line them up. This month EU, next month Japan, and so on.

Trump can bully these countries. They can complain, but so what. You are a fan of hard power right. What can they do other than bend the knee.

If they decide to sign free trade agreement with China, then we talking.
You are now approaching 75% chance of having recession... be prepare.

When the current inventory in distributors' warehouses depleted, the inflated tariffed imported goods will kick in.
 

reservior dogs

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Guys,

US allies will make deals.

They gonna moan and complain. In the end they going to sign deals


And after that, they going to “work” on China as a group.

Actually not that hard to believe. But again.. let’s wait and see.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. Just as the U.S. is a power to be feared, so is China. It is not as we haven't seen other smaller country going up against China in the past. Lithuania thought that there was no consequence to their anti-China stance since they don't do much direct business with China. They had to pay a price for their actions. When China is fighting back against the U.S. in trade, other countries will have to think twice before they mess with China.
 

Mt1701d

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Why not one on one? Trump announced his plans to the whole world. It was never a secret. He's going to make individual deals with each. What he wants from EU is not the same as what he wants from Vietnam.

And being the salesman he is, he is going to line them up. This month EU, next month Japan, and so on.

Trump can bully these countries. They can complain, but so what. You are a fan of hard power right. What can they do other than bend the knee.

If they decide to sign free trade agreement with China, then we talking.
I think you are missing a massive issue in bending the knee scenario, in order for that to happen there must be an upside, which frankly is completely non-existent by everything that Trump and his administration has shown so far.

Bending the knee means paying to sell, which means they will literally be making a loss in order to do business, that is completely and utterly ridiculous, this result is essentially set in stone from all the statements and signals being projected.

The other option is an unknown, tho we can infer that there will be a lot of pain to bear, but at least the chances of having some upside isn’t 0.

So the equation is pretty simple, they have more to potentially lose even if they bend the knee, so unless you can articulate a reason other than ‘trust me bro’ your assertion is basically moot.
 

Captainquirk

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You are now approaching 75% chance of having recession... be prepare.

When the current inventory in distributors' warehouses depleted, the inflated tariffed imported goods will kick in.
My bet is China and U.S. will eventually sit down and do some kind of deal.

If not there will be long term pain for both. Then it’s a matter of comprehensive national strength on who can recover faster. Either way, globalization as we know it is over.
 

manqiangrexue

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Why not one on one? Trump announced his plans to the whole world. It was never a secret. He's going to make individual deals with each. What he wants from EU is not the same as what he wants from Vietnam.
Because the whole point of one-on-one is to isolate them so that they have no leverage. However, they do have leverage if they realize that the US has many other people whom they need to negotiate with so America is also under pressure to get things rolling. They also have leverage when they see the US financial situation tumbling down a hill, America in recession, and both China and the EU hitting back. They know America is desperate too, which erases the one-on-one US power advantage.
And being the salesman he is, he is going to line them up. This month EU, next month Japan, and so on.
What salesman? When he did business, he conned people into thinking he had money he didn't have. He drove casinos into bankruptcy. When countries come to the negotiating table with him, he publically calls them ass kissers so every fiber in their body wants to resist him. I've never seen such poor sales tactics in my life; they look like intentional self-sabotage.
Trump can bully these countries. They can complain, but so what. You are a fan of hard power right. What can they do other than bend the knee.
1. Oh you know I'm a long time fan of hard power. So you've been here for a while? Nth account? LOL
2. There is hard power against the US too. American hard power declines when it is in recession and its markets are panicking. Chinese (and European) hard power are weighing on the other side.
If they decide to sign free trade agreement with China, then we talking.
Huh? Talking about what? China's in no hurry to change anything in trade.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The ARM China ceo probably gave the government some ideas. The rumor i've heard is that if the US intends to wage an economic war with China, China would just ignore all us ip and trademarks. Something they can do is that these franchise would not be obligated to pay its parent company or chinese companies can internationally expands with the trademark into the global south. Think selling coke syurup and branding for 1/10th the cost.

Actually, Coke never filed a patent, their recipe is a trade secret.

But I don’t think China will be so, Trumpian, in its actions wrt IP. China is maintaining its own dignity as a responsible adult power throughout, so it’s not going to resort to such mafia tactics like that. Especially since China now have plenty of IP of its own to think about opening that precedent.

What China can and should do is take a real hard, critical, logical and fair look at all the bullshit patents the US patent office have granted US corporations.

Before, China just accepted those as part of the cost of doing business, but it can very reasonably quash massive amounts of US patents as too broad or generic or already widely used or any number of legitimate reasons. If it really wanted to go to the next level, it can literally produce a catalog of examples where the US patent office granted unreasonable patents to basically de-recognise all patents granted by the US and demand that all US companies register their patents in China, under Chinese laws and regulations to enjoy legal protection in China. If that takes years, well though cookies. In the meantime no patent protection or royalties due until you have a valid Chinese certified patent.
 
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