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gwel

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Engineer said:
You just don't understand American culture.

The first time I heard of the Constellation Class frigate, I knew it was going to fail. I knew the Americans couldn't help themselves but to pimp up the stats, and there was simply no way to fit cruiser-level of armament into the hull of a frigate. I was right. In US, every new design has to be bigger and more badass than the previous, so this new Trump class satisfies that requirement perfectly. It would be large enough that system contractors wouldn't have to compete with each other for space, so everybody gets a share of the pie. No one will allow it to be canceled.
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The reason Constellation class failed was due to US doctrine around redundancy and damage control. They think a ship should be able to take a hit and keep fighting or at least floating. This requires wider corridors, redundant pipes, wires and systems, and manual damage control systems using a lot of crew, which requires crew quarters.
The USN needs a lot more crew per tonnage compared to europe/china/japan basically anyone else.
They did not try to fit more weapons.
Everyone else realises that a ship which was hit is out of the fight anyways and thus slims down DC measures and crew requirements by automating DC systems and not putting in that much redundancy.
Hence why everyone else can fit so much more weapons per tonnage compared to US designs.
 
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subotai1

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gwel said:
The reason Constellation class failed was due to US doctrine around redundancy and damage control. They think a ship should be able to take a hit and keep fighting or at least floating. This requires wider corridors, redundant pipes, wires and systems, and manual damage control systems using a lot of crew, which requires crew quarters.
The USN needs a lot more crew per tonnage compared to europe/china/japan basically anyone else.
They did not try to fit more weapons.
Everyone else realises that a ship which was hit is out of the fight anyways and thus slims down DC measures and crew requirements by automating DC systems and not putting in that much redundancy.
Hence why everyone else can fit so much more weapons per tonnage compared to US designs.
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I largely disagree with this. That crew size isn't just about being able to take a hit. Its about being able to take a 6 to 9 month cruise and be self-sufficient during that cruise. And its also about being able to maintain a long term fight (days or weeks) and not needing to go to port. So you can restock, repair and run multiple "crews" while afloat. I have been in warships from numerous countries and they are all pretty much the same in terms of corridors, pipes, systems, repairability. Everybody wants their ships to be repairable. And there are certain sizes for sealable units and bulkheads and hatches that are relatively universal around the world.

Where the US has a massive problem is ego and inability to accept change. The US could have just used the existing design and had a perfectly serviceable ship. But its ego and issues with "not-invented-here" would not allow it. It needed to put its own stamp on it and that caused the majority of issues. And the inability to accept change means that they don't automate or assist even when they can. That ego and change-resistance massively delays projects, reduces access to weapon systems, drives up cost and will increasingly impact ability to fight.
 
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GulfLander

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The Chinese Embassy in Mexico issued a statement on December 27. Recently, Navarro, the senior adviser to the U.S. White House on trade and manufacturing, published an article in the Mexican media to smear Chinese exports, claiming that "Mexico's decision to raise tariffs on China and other Asian countries has become a milestone in the trade revolution and the post-war international trading system" and incited "U.S. allies to imitate Mexico."
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