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US-China trade talks going ‘very well’, Donald Trump tells reporters
  • Two sides are ‘getting close to a very historic deal’, president says after latest negotiations in Beijing
  • Next round of talks set to start in Washington on Wednesday
Updated: 10:43pm, 4 May, 2019
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Negotiations between Washington and Beijing on reaching a trade deal to end their tariff war are going “very well”, United States President Donald Trump said on Friday.

Trump made the remarks in a meeting with Slovak Prime Minister Peter Pellegrini at the White House, as Chinese Vice-Premier Liu He prepares for the next round of talks in Washington next week.

“The deal itself is going along pretty well. I would even say very well. We’ll see what happens over the next couple of weeks,” Trump told reporters.

“But we’re getting close to a very historic, monumental deal. And if it doesn’t happen, we’ll be fine too. Maybe even better.”

Trump said the US was taking billions of dollars in tariffs from China.

“We’ve never taken in 10 cents from China, and now we’re taking in billions and billions of dollars. That’s had a very positive effect on things,” he said.

Trump said also that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin had discussed the possibility of extending their nuclear deal or creating a new one that included China.

“We’re talking about a nuclear agreement where we make less and they make less and maybe even where we get rid of some of the tremendous firepower that we have right now,” he said.

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that Liu would lead a delegation of more than 100 officials from over a dozen government agencies for the talks in Washington, which are set to start on Wednesday.

US Vice-President Mike Pence said on Friday that Trump was firm on his demands that China change its trade practices.

“The president believes we’re in a very strong position, we could put more tariffs on if we’re not able to reach an agreement. The manner in which tariffs would come off is going to be a part of the enforcement mechanism and all of that is the subject of negotiations as we talk,” he told CNBC.

“Forced technology transfers, intellectual property theft are a reality. President Trump has made it clear that things have to change with China on the structural issues as well as the trade imbalance and we’ll continue to stand firm on those”.

US businesses are tempering their expectations that a trade deal with Beijing will force China to significantly cut back on its state subsidies.

Myron Brilliant, head of international affairs at the US Chamber of Commerce, said the talks were “certainly in the endgame” and that 94.5 per cent of the issues had been settled, according to his own estimates.

But the two sides were struggling to close the gap on several issues, including specifics on how the US and China would roll back a portion of the tariffs on a combined US$360 billion worth of goods, he said.

The two sides concluded their 10th round of talks in Beijing on Friday. US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin described the meetings as “
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”, but both sides were tight lipped on the details of the negotiations.
Chinese state media said the lack of information suggested the talks were in their final stages and that officials were concentrating on difficult issues.
 

Gatekeeper

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"Better dead than red" is a slogan they were chanting when they weren't imminently faced with the choice, and its meaning is to fight to the death rather than lose their "freedoms" to an invading Soviet Union. This is a sheeple chant as the Soviets had absolutely no intention of occupying the US or taking their "freedoms" and neither does China. The situation now is that China will keep growing and rising and the US must decide whether to just be outgrown or to begin a nuclear war. Of course the third choice is to try to grow faster and not be outgrown. In this case, it's going to be much more difficult to get the nerves to just one day decide to "push the button" rather than continue to default to the natural everyday choice which is to stay alive and try to find a hope in way to grow faster than China.

It would be great if it was only just a "slogan".
To the populace, it was perhaps a sound bite slogan. BUT to the policy makers, this is far from being a slogan, it was a mindset that helps their decision making process. The policy makers is so determind to beat the soviets that they have prepared amagadon to do so. I remebered seeing all those public information films like protect and survive in case of nuclear fall outs. This was all very real for us of certain age. (you maybe too young to have experienced it first hand).

And follow up on your point about China growing faster, Etc.
I'm reminded from my student years studying economics, during the times of much talks of Japan was going to overtake the US, that my lecturer never gets tired of telling us this:
A study conducted by US professor with students in the US, students was basically asked that if they had a chioce, which two growth rates they would choose.
1/ Growth rate A; US = 4%; Japan = 5%
2/ Growth rate B; US = 2%; Japan = 2%
Surprise, surprise 80% or more of the students choose option B!
So these students would rather see their living standards suffers than to see another country overtaking them as number 1.
And the point is these students are not your average joes, these are bright and intelligent young people whos going to be the future policy makers and captains of industries.
And guess what? The freightening thing is these people have now become the policy makers and captains of industries. And they have the same mind set that the had regarding Japan then as for China now.
 

Gatekeeper

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It's only a race because the US makes it so. Trade is a two way street, and we all know America's economic woes are self-inflicted, they just want to blame someone else.

The only real points of friction between China and the US is in China's neighborhood: SCS, Taiwan, the two Koreas, and Japan. If the US was not playing in China's backyard, there would literally be nothing for the two nations to compete about. Of course, the US is there because it *wants* to be there, and hypes up China-threat rhetoric in order to justify its presence.

There's no need for the US to "cede" its position to China, as China is not pursuing a global hegemony. All the US needs do is to re-align its priorities: what benefits are common Americans deriving from American military presence in the Western Pacific?

That's it. You hit the nail on the head. There's no friction at all, the only reason it exist is because, as you daid, it wants to!
 

localizer

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It would be great if it was only just a "slogan".
To the populace, it was perhaps a sound bite slogan. BUT to the policy makers, this is far from being a slogan, it was a mindset that helps their decision making process. The policy makers is so determind to beat the soviets that they have prepared amagadon to do so. I remebered seeing all those public information films like protect and survive in case of nuclear fall outs. This was all very real for us of certain age. (you maybe too young to have experienced it first hand).

And follow up on your point about China growing faster, Etc.
I'm reminded from my student years studying economics, during the times of much talks of Japan was going to overtake the US, that my lecturer never gets tired of telling us this:
A study conducted by US professor with students in the US, students was basically asked that if they had a chioce, which two growth rates they would choose.
1/ Growth rate A; US = 4%; Japan = 5%
2/ Growth rate B; US = 2%; Japan = 2%
Surprise, surprise 80% or more of the students choose option B!
So these students would rather see their living standards suffers than to see another country overtaking them as number 1.
And the point is these students are not your average joes, these are bright and intelligent young people whos going to be the future policy makers and captains of industries.
And guess what? The freightening thing is these people have now become the policy makers and captains of industries. And they have the same mind set that the had regarding Japan then as for China now.
It's the same mindset behind suicide bombers. When there's nothing to lose and no hope.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
It would be great if it was only just a "slogan".
To the populace, it was perhaps a sound bite slogan. BUT to the policy makers, this is far from being a slogan, it was a mindset that helps their decision making process. The policy makers is so determind to beat the soviets that they have prepared amagadon to do so. I remebered seeing all those public information films like protect and survive in case of nuclear fall outs. This was all very real for us of certain age. (you maybe too young to have experienced it first hand).

And follow up on your point about China growing faster, Etc.
I'm reminded from my student years studying economics, during the times of much talks of Japan was going to overtake the US, that my lecturer never gets tired of telling us this:
A study conducted by US professor with students in the US, students was basically asked that if they had a chioce, which two growth rates they would choose.
1/ Growth rate A; US = 4%; Japan = 5%
2/ Growth rate B; US = 2%; Japan = 2%
Surprise, surprise 80% or more of the students choose option B!
So these students would rather see their living standards suffers than to see another country overtaking them as number 1.
And the point is these students are not your average joes, these are bright and intelligent young people whos going to be the future policy makers and captains of industries.
And guess what? The freightening thing is these people have now become the policy makers and captains of industries. And they have the same mind set that the had regarding Japan then as for China now.
They were prepared for Armageddon because they were afraid that the Soviets would bring it. It does not mean that they would prefer mutual destruction over being slowly overtaken. No country in history other than China has so far put the US in the position where it can be slowly overtaken in all categories. Japan was only an economic threat and the Soviets were only a military one. And neither was able to push the US far enough for us to find out if they really want to risk death to stay number one.

I completely understand what these people are thinking. If I was offered China 6%, USA 6% vs. China 3%, USA 0%, I'd choose the later too, no hesitation. Standard of living means nothing if you are being militarily pushed around and amongst nuclear peers, unraveling your opponent's economy is the way to defeat his military.
 

Lethe

Captain
It does not mean that they would prefer mutual destruction over being slowly overtaken.

Nobody would choose the former over the latter, but the choice is never presented so clearly or starkly. No nation embarks upon a course that it knows will lead to ruin, yet throughout history this has occurred time and time again. In the real world the consequences of one's decisions are not known in advance.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Nobody would choose the former over the latter, but the choice is never presented so clearly or starkly. No nation embarks upon a course that it knows will lead to ruin, yet throughout history this has occurred time and time again. In the real world the consequences of one's decisions are not known in advance.
Right, which further supports my point that the US is unlikely to suddenly trigger WWIII rather than slowly gun it out trying to not get overtaken by the Chinese. The results of nuclear war are more or less known to be catastrophic for all but there is always hope in the daily grind of trying to slowly claw back lost ground even if current efforts are not working.
 

Navigator

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Trump: I did it again

President Donald Trump, despite repeated claims by the White House that trade talks with Beijing were progressing, announced Sunday on Twitter that tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese goods will increase next week to 25% from 10%.

“The Trade Deal with China continues, but too slowly, as they attempt to renegotiate. No!” Trump wrote in the surprise announcement.

He also threatened that the U.S. will impose 25% tariffs on another $325 billion of Chinese goods

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localizer

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Trump: I did it again

President Donald Trump, despite repeated claims by the White House that trade talks with Beijing were progressing, announced Sunday on Twitter that tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese goods will increase next week to 25% from 10%.

“The Trade Deal with China continues, but too slowly, as they attempt to renegotiate. No!” Trump wrote in the surprise announcement.

He also threatened that the U.S. will impose 25% tariffs on another $325 billion of Chinese goods

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Lol suicide bomber mentality again.

He forgot that companies producing in China doesn't export exclusively to the US and if they leave, they'll lose competitiveness to Chinese manufacturers who can produce at a cheaper price for the global market.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Lol suicide bomber mentality again.

He forgot that companies producing in China doesn't export exclusively to the US and if they leave, they'll lose competitiveness to Chinese manufacturers who can produce at a cheaper price for the global market.
This shows that every time in the past he said things were progressing smoothly, he was lying to the American public to project an image of success. He hoped that in the end, China would concede and all his lies would be covered but now, it's obvious that China will not. That or simply another feeble attempt to put pressure on the Chinese delegation. He should really stop trying to use tricks from his PUBLISHED BOOK written for him by a ghost writer.
 
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