Trade War with China

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Anlsvrthng

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Jura said:
please check if the purported organ-trade post
#5315 Anlsvrthng, 42 minutes ago
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Trade War with China

(I guess it's not, but I didn't read it in full, because I just finished eating my dinner and don't want to puke)
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I think it is beyond the trade war now, but I don't want to start a new topic.

It is the same script like with Russia.
step by step.

Oh, and don't read the article. The headline is more than enough.
 
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now I read
The US trade war against human rights
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/6/17 21:28:41
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The US Trade Representative's Office on Monday kicked off seven days of public hearings about the plan to levy tariffs on an additional $300 billion worth of Chinese goods. The timeline shows that Washington will trigger the new tariff plan on July 2 at the soonest. The US is obviously boosting pressure on China.

China is already well prepared for an all-out trade war launched by the US. The trade war is highly likely to be protracted. Whether an agreement can be reached or not, US pressure on China will last a long time. It is the general consensus in Chinese society that a trade deal will hardly alter the situation.

Most Chinese believe that the trade war extends beyond trade itself, but is part of the US containment of China's comprehensive strategy for rejuvenation.

Chinese society has been mobilized to stand up to the great game determining the destiny of the Chinese nation in the 21st century. Chinese people are mentally prepared and ready to withstand more potential storms in the future.

Chinese people hope to live a stable life and see good China-US relations. But the US political elites' arrogance and their extreme practices toward Chinese companies such as Huawei have made people realize that the US lacks good will.

The US seeks to overwhelm China's will, force China to accept unequal conditions, deprive China of the right to further development, and maintain its hegemony by stopping others.

The Chinese people will never agree to abandon the right to further development. The greatest thrust of China's development lies in the strong desire for a better life among over a billion people. The trade war risks Chinese people's future welfare. Chinese people will firmly support the Chinese government in not yielding to Washington, no matter the temporary costs they must pay.

The per capita GDP in China is only one-sixth of that of the US. Continuing to develop China's economy and increase its per capita GDP is the basic right of the Chinese nation.

There was a time when China lagged behind the world, but that does not mean that China is supposed to be poor forever. This is what we are entitled to change. That is what human rights genuinely mean.

If the trade war goes on, it will exert an overwhelming impact on the world industrial chain. The US cannot remain unaffected. Its supply and marketing network, which plays a significant role in American people's living standards, will be hit hard.

Listing Chinese products for $300 billion more in tariff hikes will lead to a sharp price increase in US consumer goods. A poll conducted by pro-Trump news broadcaster Fox News showed that more Americans think that the trade war is affecting their lives rather than helping the US economy.

The US government drew the conclusion at a whim that a trade war would help revitalize US manufacturing. Yet over 600 US companies wrote a letter to Trump on June 13, articulating their opposition to the trade war.

The trade war is a special battle against China's human rights. It is a declaration of US hegemony. Washington is intensifying its attacks, but the Chinese people are pursuing an increasingly prosperous life. They hope their children can live a better life than themselves.

Such a strong desire will make us despise our opponent's arrogant offense. The Chinese people know what they are fighting for.
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Jura said:
posted a somehow related story
Today at 7:05 PM
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Financial Times quoted Ren Zhengfei stating that Huawei is cutting its 2019 revenue forecast by $20 billion. They expect no growth (but no further drop either) in 2020, with revenue staying around $100 billion for both 2019&2020. In 2018 their revenue was $105 billion.

Sounds quite ugly in the short term, but they remain optimistic about the future. They will need the full support of the Chinese government to replace the embargoed supply chains in the short term. I doubt that even someone as big as Huawei can slug this one out alone, given how massive the R&D expenditures will need to be.
 
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Huawei international smartphone market sales showing strain:
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Hi, Max, I replied this to Jura in the other thread:

" Well, whatever your intentions are, your sarcastic tone is suggesting to me that you think all our effort to resist and counter action against Trump administration's attack on China is futile, that we should just drop our weapons and surrender. I am telling you we don't give a shit about what you think, and no amount of your derision can weaken our resolve.

If Huawei persists and fight on, even if it dies, it is worthy of being Chinese. If Huawei chickens out and capitulates, it is garbage. "

I am not bashing the US. Just like the majority of Chinese people, even those who actively work in jobs that are meant to counter the US (like intelligence, propaganda, military, etc), they don't hate the USA. I remember you mentioned that you are concerned about the US-bashing in this forum. So I need to push this thought through.

The majority of Chinese people don't hate the USA, instead we admire the USA. But this does NOT mean we will be willing to capitulate to the USA and sacrifice our national interest in order to show how much we adorn the USA. After all, we are Chinese, China is our homeland. We don't want to see it burned and destroyed, or to let it sink as low as a virtual colony where all the sweat and hard work of our people are plundered by the big capitals of the USA, without even putting up a fight.
 
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jimmyjames30x30 said:
Hi, Max, I replied this to Jura in the other thread:

" Well, whatever your intentions are, your sarcastic tone is suggesting to me that you think all our effort to resist and counter action against Trump administration's attack on China is futile, that we should just drop our weapons and surrender. I am telling you we don't give a shit about what you think, and no amount of your derision can weaken our resolve.

If Huawei persists and fight on, even if it dies, it is worthy of being Chinese. If Huawei chickens out and capitulates, it is garbage. "

I am not bashing the US. Just like the majority of Chinese people, even those who actively work in jobs that are meant to counter the US (like intelligence, propaganda, military, etc), they don't hate the USA. I remember you mentioned that you are concerned about the US-bashing in this forum. So I need to push this thought through.

The majority of Chinese people don't hate the USA, instead we admire the USA. But this does NOT mean we will be willing to capitulate to the USA and sacrifice our national interest in order to show how much we adorn the USA. After all, we are Chinese, China is our homeland. We don't want to see it burned and destroyed, or to let it sink as low as a virtual colony where all the sweat and hard work of our people are plundered by the big capitals of the USA, without even putting up a fight.
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you sound pumped up; back from the Party meeting? LOL
 
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That's the problem, Chinese people admiring US for long long time to its own detriment.

If I were in charge at the 80s I will not let US Semiconductor firms completely dominate Chinese market especially the state purchase IT goods. Even if have to use backward tech couple generation behind. The Western embargo means China can use older generation equipment but that's OK as long as tech is its own

China joined WTO after 2000, so from 80s to 2010 it has more than 30 years to hone it domestic Semiconductor tech but it didn't do it. Majority of government PC is wintel and Huawei ZTE telecommunication equipment all used US components for long time until recently

People in China admired US advanced tech too much and to the detriment of China. And hence what we looking at today.

Things happen for a reason.
 
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