Trade War with China

tidalwave said:

Also, that lil wisdom man is something else he got nothing but biggest mouth, calling this guy is smart and that guy is stupid. Man, he's such a bore. No useful knowledge whatsoever!

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Biggest mouth? Nobody here except you post 4 comments of garbage in succession. No useful knowledge is better than using wrong "knowledge" complain about everything. Hey, I don't bore everyone else; I just "bore" you cus you can't keep up with the logic. Look at all the people who agree with me. How many people agree with you? But you still think you have to be right, right? LOL Like I said, the dimmest part of you is between your ears.

tidalwave said:

China central overnment too scared to go after US companies afraid Trump would raise tariff for the remaining goods. Eight now, China government seriously indulging in AI opium, fooling itself into believing it's on path to self sufficiency. China are in current shithole, cause their advisors gave bad advices and therefore lousy policy.

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If you're scared of something, your opponent will do it. There is no avoiding that. You can only fight. The one on opium is you; you sound like you wrote this because some foreigner offered you opium to try to stall China's AI efforts. Everybody, every country, says it's the future and here you think it's not important. That's how you know you're insane, and the saddest part is that you're so confident about it. China's making efforts advancing in both fundamental sciences and advanced sciences and here you are nagging like an angry ignorant old man who got left out on the action. Even calling people "lil' wisdom man" sounds like Trump trying to insult Kim by calling him "lil rocket man" and it's hilarious because neither amounts to an insult. If China's in a "shithole" position, it's because of stupid people like you working on "semiconductors." I can only imagine you sitting there for weeks trying to fit a screw into a nail hole LOL. Nobody nobody but you! So don't blame nobody nobody but you LOL

tidalwave said:

Neither. There are better policies out there

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LOL Complain about your sad life then in the end, you don't know what you want done (not that anybody listens to people who can't follow logic anyway); you just say there's better out there. Yeah, you're right; no matter what happens, there's always a better plan out there. Trick is actually coming up with it. Then you say, ah, your "point" or "plan" isn't important cus you don't have one. So you keep bitching and moaning on here about everything everybody else does LOL We all know the story. The day you shut up and take responsibility for yourself and stop blaming others is the day you turn your life around.

tidalwave said:

Neither. There are better policies out there

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Please list. I am interested.

tidalwave said:

China central overnment too scared to go after US companies afraid Trump would raise tariff for the remaining goods.

Eight now, China government seriously indulging in AI opium, fooling itself into believing it's on path to self sufficiency.

China are in current shithole, cause their advisors gave bad advices and therefore lousy policy.

Had they got the right policy 20 years ago, China already be self sufficient by now. Their tech would not leading edge but l100% self sufficient. There would not be case of ZTE , Jinhua, etc.

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They weren’t afraid to put US agriculture out of business. Try harder.

Only thing they fear is losing credibility as a supplier, BUT the US already lost theirs. Beijing is just trying to look like the good guy to make deals with other countries easier. That’s all there is to it. There’s nothing that stops a machinery ban on US companies IF China feels they need to do it to even the field, which they don’t right now.

Companies who were tempted by Americans to undercut local industries paid the price for it. The govt didn’t even bother to bail them out because they know there are better companies, unlike the US which have been forced to bail out almost since day one.

You are being incredibly impatient and unrealistic. Trade wars aren’t won in a day or without casualties.

tidalwave said:

Also people here so misinformed. They only think the smaller the better such as China SMIC has only 28nm, and next better one would be 14nm.

Now, Fujian Jinhua is doing 32nm DRAM and US has banned equipment to it and Jinhua is dying!

You would ask why not Jinhua use SMIC more advanced 28nm?

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I don't know why everyone is so interested about the semiconductor manufacturing.

It used to be critical technology say 10-20 years ago.
At that point of time the the performance / cost doubled in every 18 month -24 month, means ten years old technology gap provided 100 times slower/bigger electronics.

Means the US had unbridgeable gap against China / Russia in every area require electronics.

Now the advancement slowed down to few % per year , means the ten ( even twenty ) years gap slowly will give no more than few ten % gap against the leader.

So, in 1985 the required missile electronics was 1000 kg for the Soviets, and 10 kg for the USA , now it will be say 4 kg for Russia, and 3.6 kg for the USA.

This is the reason why the AN/APG-81 has so many issues, they expected exponential performance / (watt and cost) improvement over time, like in the 80/90s ,but all that they had few percent here and there.

US agriculture is not very high on US hierarchy of importance. Both US and China know it. China going after US agriculture because it knows it's only like slap on the wrist, but going after US tech companies, hell will break loose...China knows it.

Anlsvrthng said:

I don't know why everyone is so interested about the semiconductor manufacturing

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Simple, this is the area US thinks It's China weak spot and hitting it.

Trump is boasting China ready to back away of made in China 2025 plan. Xi ready to relent on this to placate US.

Thats what I always suspect. The pressure will eventually will make Xi backpedal. The saving grace of this is China does not plan to mention getting rid of its government subsidies and investment for tech development which is the most important. Essentially this move gives something to Trump to brag about of winning.

In my POV, it makes No sense to blast out made in China 2025 publically. Whatever they trying to do should be done covertly. Bad advices from their advisors.

It should be two pronged attack; one is looking to future and the other is going back to the drawing board. What China missing from current approach is patching up the holes. They are not doing that is they feel like there's no money to be made and legacy stuffs already dominate by foreign companies. If they don't patch up the holes, the holes will be always there and keep looking at future tech would not solve the problem. Essentially. that's the trap they are in,

btw, emotional high strung lil wisdom man needs to stop acting like little insecure thingy that woman sneer at and probably is in real life.

tidalwave said:

Trump is boasting China ready to back away of made in China 2025 plan. Xi ready to relent on this to placate US.

Thats what I always suspect. The pressure will eventually will make Xi backpedal. The saving grace of this is China does not plan to mention getting rid of its government subsidies and investment for tech development which is the most important. Essentially this move gives something to Trump to brag about of winning.

In my POV, it makes No sense to blast out made in China 2025 publically. Whatever they trying to do should be done covertly. Bad advices from their advisors.

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This actually isn't a bad post. Everything should be done covertly and vigorously. China likely called it MIC2025 because India announced some Made in India 2030 thing and that was received well by its citizens and seen as an ambitious effort by the world. There was certainly no backlash. China miscalculated; it is NOT India. People are scared of China and the second they gave it a name, the efforts became tangible and personified and it scared the shit out of everyone. The Germans said that the day the Chinese come for your craft, count your days until you go out of business. China needs to do this without giving it a name or advertising it and basically all he policy makers in China know now. That doesn't mean that retrospect analysis makes you smarter than them; at the time, it seemed a good way to boost moral. Hindsight is always 20/20.

tidalwave said:

It should be two pronged attack; one is looking to future and the other is going back to the drawing board. What China missing from current approach is patching up the holes. They are not doing that is they feel like there's no money to be made and legacy stuffs already dominate by foreign companies. If they don't patch up the holes, the holes will be always there and keep looking at future tech would not solve the problem. Essentially. that's the trap they are in,

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This "strategy" is common sense. It is what China is doing now and it is what I told you China is doing now. They are going after fundamental sciences and advanced sciences concurrently. Did you not understand? Why did you regurgitate this?

tidalwave said:

btw, emotional high strung lil wisdom man needs to stop acting like little insecure thingy that woman sneer at and probably is in real life.

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LOL Says the person too scared to address another member's posts directly. You know, MiG-29 used to start talking about women when his arguments were destroyed... It's really not the most discreet way to escape a lost argument.

tidalwave said:

US agriculture is not very high on US hierarchy of importance. Both US and China know it. China going after US agriculture because it knows it's only like slap on the wrist, but going after US tech companies, hell will break loose...China knows it.

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You would be wrong here. Agribusiness matters quite a lot to the USA and is a major recipient of subsidies and tariffs unlike other sectors. For example Brazil cannot export sugar cane to the USA because of the lobby in the USA by cane growers in Florida. This means instead of using actual white sugar the Americans use HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) chemically extracted from corn. Which neither tastes nor smells like the real thing and some people claim is one of the reasons for the obesity epidemic in the USA.

Also the Chinese tariffs included more than foodstuffs. It also included aircraft among other things. China is the world's largest aviation market. Check this chart:


The Chinese basically hit the two major import categories with tariffs as retaliation that's all. They could hit cars with sanctions next if the USA continues with this nonsense.