Trade War with China

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solarz

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It is not necessarily fraud, everyone doing it when using the company laptop for personal purposes.
Say if the SOE managers using company purchased cars as they own, then that is exactly the above event that I described.

Honestly, WTH are you talking about? You're making no sense whatsoever.

You were describing a company making 1000$ but only reporting 500$ of that to the government. That's simply fraud, and I don't understand how that relates to using the company laptop for personal purposes.

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Interesting, how is it affect the fact the Chinese wealthy ( and practically everyone else) pay small amount of taxes?

And of course the SOEs will pay the taxes : )

Again, WTH? Who said the Chinese pay less taxes than other countries?
 
now I read
China to take necessary countermeasures depending on U.S. tariff action: MOC
Xinhua| 2018-09-06 21:35:55
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China will take necessary countermeasures depending on the U.S. tariff action, said a spokesperson for the Ministry of Commerce (MOC) Thursday.

The statement was made in response to the possible imposition of additional tariffs by the U.S. on 200 billion U.S. dollars worth of imported Chinese goods.

The public comment period in the U.S. of additional tariffs on the above-mentioned amount of Chinese imports recently ended and the majority of participants opposed the move.

"If the U.S. side ignores the opposition of the majority of enterprises participating in the public comment, and goes its own way to impose additional tariffs on more Chinese imports, China will have to take necessary countermeasures," said Gao Feng, the MOC spokesperson, at a press briefing.

China reiterates that any attempts to pressure China are unreasonable and futile. The trade war will not solve any problems. Equal and sincere dialogue and negotiations are the only correct ways to solve China-U.S. trade disputes, said Gao.

After the U.S. announcement of a plan to impose additional tariffs on 200 billion dollars worth of Chinese imports, China announced countermeasures on Aug. 3 to impose additional tariffs on U.S. imports of 60 billion dollars and released the list of the U.S. products.

Over the past few months, the U.S. has seriously violated the World Trade Organization rules, incessantly introduced unilateral policies and led to the continuous escalation of bilateral trade frictions, which not only damaged businesses and consumers' interests in both countries, but also undermined the global industrial chain and value chain, Gao said.

China will pay close attention to impact caused by the additional tariffs and take effective measures to help Chinese and overseas enterprises operating in the country overcome difficulties, he said.

"China has the confidence, capability, and measures to maintain the stable and healthy development of its economy," said Gao.
 

manqiangrexue

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So, you debate the connection between the corruption/tax avoidance ,and the capability of a country to reach its full potential compared to a better organised one?
No, I don't debate that; no one debates that with you. You are lecturing to yourself about this obvious truth because either your English is so poor that you don't understand what the real topic is or you know you cannot win the real argument so you made this fake one. Everyone knows that corruption will weaken a country, but everyone (except you) also knows that richer citizens of a country result in more government funding. These are two completely separate points and since you cannot possibly win a debate against the latter point, you imagined the former point and pretended that that is the argument. No, nobody is talking about that except you, to yourself.
The problem of China wasn't that everyone was poor , but that the Europeans become more wealthy, and more capable to do things.(like to defeat the Imperial Army )
The problem is that there was too much wealth focused on decadence and not enough on military development/scientific innovation. That is not a mistake to be repeated, ever. And this point goes against your argument that richer citizens do not develop society; richer Europeans meant a stronger Europe and now, richer Chinese will mean a stronger China. I have no idea what you're confused on.
"intelligence is a tool to reach a goal, but goals are not always chosen intelligently"
Yeah, that's for other occasions. For you, you chose a stupid goal of debating against a fact, and then when you realized that you cannot win, you got more stupid by pretending to win arguments that were never there.
 

canniBUS

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It's pointless to discuss economics with a liberal. The purpose of mainstream liberal economics is to justify the status quo of capitalism. This taxation discussion is a good example. Everyone talks about who to tax and how much without questioning the history of taxation, why taxation exists or if it is even necessary for taxation to exist in its current form. Any state with a sovereign currency (pretty much every country except for the European Union states and certain small states that don't issue their own currency) can just print its own money to fund its expenditures. States do not need to ask for money from its citizens since the citizens don't produce money, the state does. Liberal economics presents taxation as a way to fund government expenses because it conceals the fact that states can print to finance and helps support the status quo of governments working with private banks to produce money even though this partnership is completely unnecessary and only benefits financial capital. Central banks should not be "independent", they should be organs of the state, and the state needs to ensure banks operate for the benefit of the working class, not the capitalist class.
 

reservior dogs

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I think the trade war will help China in the long run if this prompt them to fix their problems. Check out this guy who discuss the situation in China,

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Michael Pettis is one of the leading economist on China, Here is one of his discussions.

 

Hendrik_2000

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I think the trade war will help China in the long run if this prompt them to fix their problems. Check out this guy who discuss the situation in China,

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Michael Pettis is one of the leading economist on China, Here is one of his discussions.


He is not China leading economist He is big mouth lecturer with superiority complex who has for years predicting the collapse of China But never come He was never right even once
 

reservior dogs

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He is not China leading economist He is big mouth lecturer with superiority complex who has for years predicting the collapse of China But never come He was never right even once

I read a few pieces of his writing. I don't think he ever predicted the collapse of China. He pointed out that there was an imbalance for many years. No one has put out a convincing argument which refuted this point. If you disagree with him, maybe you can point to someone who did. He laid out a few scenarios of how the imbalance was going to be corrected. According to him, the least likely is an implosion. The most desirable (for China) is a period of low growth. The most likely, if the leadership take the path of least resistance, which is also not desirable, is a delay in correction followed by prolong period of adjustment like the Japanese lost decades.
 
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