Trade War with China

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antiterror13

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I think it worth the effort to think about the next:
1. Why the US political elite would construct an international system, where a foreign country can threat the US?
2. Why the US should allow China to buy treasuries, if the mass selling of them doesn't means problem for the US?
3. China didn't know the rules of the system , and haven't had any other option in the 70s . Why anyone think that the system the she participate is in the favour of her?

you'd better stop all your non sense. You are the one who doesn't know how the treasury works :mad:"
Mark Twain once said "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"
 

tidalwave

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Trump just now blacklisted 44 China defense related research institutes and companies. Similar to scheme of ZTE.,
Mainly FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array) from Xilinx and DSP(Digital Signal Processing) from TI (Texas Instrument)
Can't believe China defense product allowed to use US semiconductor!!!

There are some CHina alternative Gowinsemi.com FPGA and CETC DSP
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Icmer

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Trump just now blacklisted 44 China defense related research institutes and companies. Similar to scheme of ZTE.,
Mainly FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array) from Xilinx and DSP(Digital Signal Processing) from TI (Texas Instrument)
Can't believe China defense product allowed to use US semiconductor!!!

There are some CHina alternative Gowinsemi.com FPGA and CETC DSP
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Somewhat relevant: Xilinx recently acquired the Beijing-based ML/FPGA startup DeePhi. Isn't this something that should've been scrutinized by regulators?

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tidalwave

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Somewhat relevant: Xilinx recently acquired the Beijing-based ML/FPGA startup DeePhi. Isn't this something that should've been scrutinized by regulators?

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That one not really significant.
It's Chinese company running AI algorithm in Xilinix chip.

Versus the hot one like Cambricon where it made its own chip on AI
 

Tam

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There is always option of QE and debt monetizing

Fed is already holding $4.5 trillion in debt. That's unprecedented and uncharted territory for a central bank.

One problem is that if the Fed holds the Treasuries, and when the Treasuries mature, the Treasury has to pay the Fed. And the way the Treasury has to pay the Fed is to increase the deficit further and sell new Treasuries. It becomes a self consuming cycle that snowballs more and more over time.
 

Tam

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Here is a video why the US lies about its employment rate and create a false narrative of a strong economy. This is telling. A lot of the jobs being created are of low wage that the number of multiple job holders have ballooned. Discouraged workers means people who has given up hope on finding a job and are not actively seeking employment. Discouraged workers are not included in the official unemployment tally, take note of that. Add in poor people doing only part time low wage jobs barely making ends meet, you get a different figure. Not 3.9% but 8.9%.


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Statistics is all about selective lying to paint a desired narrative.
 
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Opinion: A little data that shows the reality of the Chinese economy
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As the trade dispute between China and the United States escalates, China’s economy now fills the headlines of global media. While the United States is blaming China for overusing its economic supremacy, the fact is that China is still nothing more than a developing country.

In 2017 China’s per capita GDP was 8,643 US dollars, only around one-seventh of the United States’ 59,501 US dollars, according to calculations by the International Monetary Fund. The large scale of China’s economy is mainly caused by its large population.

However, although China is still a developing country, the Chinese economy and society have done a remarkable job. Recently, I read a little set of data that really astonished me.

For a long time in human history, women fought death when giving birth to their children. The happiness enjoyed by most of today’s families when expecting their children in the final period of pregnancy was a luxury less than a century ago.

Just before 1949, China’s maternal mortality rate was around 1.5 percent. This means one out of around 70 mothers didn't survive the childbirth.

Statistically speaking, if a woman bore three children back then, which was a quite normal number at that time, she would have around a 4.5 percent chance of losing her life.

The World Health Organization (WHO) defines MMR as the annual number of women who die out of every 100,000 during childbirth.

In 2015, China's maternal mortality ratio (MMR) was 22.2, according to calculations by the Chinese government.

If we check the data from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), China’s MMR was estimated as 27 in 2015, not too far away from China’s own calculation.

How does this MMR level compare with the rest of the world?

According to CIA estimates, the MMR for the rest of the BRICS countries are as follows: 44 in Brazil, 25 in Russia, 174 in India and 138 in South Africa.

Outside of BRICS, other developing countries share similar data. In the same year, the MMR was 126 in Indonesia, 40 in Malaysia, 20 in Thailand, 114 in the Philippines and 52 in Argentina.

There is another subtle detail within China’s MMR. China is a large country with the world’s third largest territory and over 1.3 billion people. Unequal development exists everywhere in the country.

More importantly, the fact that China is classified as a developing country provides the possibility that less developed areas and more developed areas, such as Shanghai, might have similar developmental levels.

Keeping this level of developmental inequality in mind, China's MMR, which was between 22.2 and 27 in 2015, was the average for the entire country. However, Shanghai's MMR was only 5.5 in 2016, roughly 20 percent of the national level and even lower than most developed countries.

According to the CIA’s "The World Fact Book," in 2015, the same ratio was nine in the United Kingdom, 14 in the United States, eight in France, six in Germany, seven in Canada and six in Australia.

So you're probably wondering why I'm paying so much attention to sociological data when the rest of the world is talking about the trade dispute. Is there any relationship between the two?

Well, yes, and the relationship is important. This maternal mortality ratio shows that China has been using its economic development to improve its people’s lives. This is significantly different from what was done by the Soviet Union during the Cold War last century.

To reduce the number of maternal deaths, a society has to be prepared in many areas. It has to be able to provide clean and well-equipped hospitals, nutrition for patients, a social health care system, enough economic support from families, adequate and well-trained doctors and nurses, etc. None of these are related to the so-called "economic invasion" in the global market.

The adequacy of these factors shows that an economy is using what it has earned to improve the lives of its people. There is no reason to worry that such an economy could be a threat to the world. On the contrary, it is only when this world has many economies such as this, that people can enjoy better lives.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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When 200B$ goes in, China should ban the sales of rare earth materials. It is clear now that USA is going to tax all the import.
China must hit the american stock, in China stock are not a big deal and the wealth on them is relatively small, on the other hand in USA the money on the stock are the big part of american wealth.
The last crisis in the world was 10 years ago, so it is coming anyway, why not accelerate it?
 

advill

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The WH has announced further talks are being planned between US and China to try and avoid implementing some damaging Tariffs. With US domestic and many international criticisms on Tariffs that will lead to a devastating trade war, a US compromise is possible. Knowing the US President's unpredictable stances/deal making, a major Trade War could hopefully be avoided. Mostly all countries including in our Asian region are hoping for the best. Confucius: "Those who learn but do not think are lost! Those who think but do not learn are in great danger".
 

Anlsvrthng

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you'd better stop all your non sense. You are the one who doesn't know how the treasury works :mad:"
Mark Twain once said "Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"

You can improve my knowledge about the treasuries : )

Example explain it HOW can China damage US interest by dumping all of its holding onto the market.

And the reasoning has to go beyond that "because I support China and It has to be good outcome for her".

And it has to be logical as well : )
 
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