Top Two National Projects China Must Concentrate On to advance it to the Next Level

TyroneG

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I'm not sure 500 chip design companies is a big number for a country as big as China.

500 little flies. All China need is one global scale strong company. It doesn't need thousands little insignificant companies.
 

TyroneG

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As for the actual chip manufacturing, the most famous must be SMIC
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According to the above article, China is now putting more attention to this area instead of concentrating only on chip designing.

SMIC is a good start and expanding and mostly servicing a lot of simpler domestic designs.

But majority of high ended chips are still importing from US, taiwan, korea and manufactured in TSMC, UMC from Taiwan or Samsung Foundry or global foundry or other places.
 
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TyroneG

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remember China just need a global scale, competitive component supplier. only one is all it needed.

I think the one best qualified to take that leadership is Huawei, it has a lot of talent base across the world and understand the business model. Right now it's making chips for some of its routers and cellphone, but it needs to take the next level.

Kind of like Samsung, before it's known forSamsung Gaxaly Phone, it was best known for leading supplier of DRAM and NAND memory chips. It only concentrated in memory until it killed all of its competitors in Taiwan and Japan.

Now, Samsung is leader in its Phone but before its known for its memory products. Samsung also betting on Foundry services.

So, for Huawei, its network products already got banned in US, Australia, and Canada, so it definitely should switch gear and be a component supplier in Greater China, it's a big void and big opportunity for them to get.

It's opportunity for Huawei if it chooses to. Do do kinds of chips like CPU, cellphone chip, programmable logic, graphic, RF chips, memory, multimedia...etc,

This way is lot better than having 500 little domestic companies struggling against very advanced foreign players. Most of them have no chances at all..
 
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No, No, No... those are simple stuffs, Those are simple peripheral analog devices using older gen of tech.
I am talking about modern multiple million gates digital or mixed signal 40nm below type of very high speed chips.
You don't see Samsung or Intel making those stuffs, they are actually embarrassment to global scale semiconductor company if they offering this products as their main products.

That's just the few manufacturers that pop out in the first page when I did a search on the website. Not saying they're an example of the highest tech manufacturing.
 

kroko

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remember China just need a global scale, competitive component supplier. only one is all it needed.

My opinion:
- many of these asians companies use US tech components. The US blocks (certain) high tech exports to china. If and how that affects chinese companies i dont know;
- chinese companies are latecomers to these areas. Competition is very fierce and it will take time to grow first-rate companies;
- To have sucess in these markets you need innovation; state companies arent innovative, private companies are better. And besides, many private companies in china only exist because local governments sustain them, making them a drag in the system.
 

eazypwn

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There already is a big stateowned electronics corporation, it's called China Electronics.

cec.com.cn/
 
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TyroneG

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There already is a big stateowned electronics corporation, it's called China Electronics.

cec.com.cn/

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0.13micron? that's like in early 90s in US... ID Card? boy, that's hardly state of the art stuffs.

They got a lot of the old school stuffs.
 
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TyroneG

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My opinion:
- many of these asians companies use US tech components. The US blocks (certain) high tech exports to china. If and how that affects chinese companies i dont know;
- chinese companies are latecomers to these areas. Competition is very fierce and it will take time to grow first-rate companies;
- To have sucess in these markets you need innovation; state companies arent innovative, private companies are better. And besides, many private companies in china only exist because local governments sustain them, making them a drag in the system.


Not necessary, Huawei is very competitive in their products and they did designed their router chips and cellphone chips for the Ascend smartphone. I don't see why they cannot go into other products.

Huawei have a lot of R&D talents across the world, and strong revenues worldwide. They don't need local government to sustain them. They can challenge the best in the business worldwide, Cisco and Ericsson.

Opposite is true, Huawei is so competitive, US is afraid of that competition and decides to Ban their products into US using national security as excuses.



Huawei definitely can become a world class semiconductor component supplier if it wants to and they should because they have the potential to do that and also their networking products already got banned in US, Australia therefore they need other areas to grow.
 
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TyroneG

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U.S. groups say China jeopardizing new technology trade pact
Reuters – Wed, Jul 17, 2013

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. industry group accused China on Tuesday of jeopardizing international negotiations to eliminate tariffs on close to 260 technology products by asking to exclude more than 100 of the products from the proposed deal to protect domestic manufacturers.
China is one of 20 World Trade Organization members, along with the United States and the 27-nation European Union, that has been negotiating for months to expand the 1996 Information Technology Agreement (ITA).
The original pact eliminated tariffs on computers, semiconductors, software, fax machines, telephones and other information technology goods among member countries.
An expanded agreement could cover additional consumer goods such as flat-screen TVs, speakers and headsets as well as new types of semiconductors and other technology goods.
But now, "China is asking for the removal of more than 100 products from the ITA negotiation, which cannot be viewed as a meaningful effort, said Sage Chandler, vice president for international trade at the Consumer Electronics Association.
"The Chinese position should be responsible, with a serious but limited list of products it wishes to exclude from lower tariffs," Chandler said
Many negotiators had hoped to reach agreement in Geneva this week on a final list of products that would be covered by the expanded ITA pact, but China's request to exclude so many products has thrown that possibility into doubt.
"What was so stunning about the size of the list is that China stands to reap significant benefits from an ambitious ITA expansion outcome. More immediately, China's list threatens to hugely dilute the ambition level of the exercise and represents a major roadblock to a successful outcome this week," John Neuffer, senior vice president at the Information Technology Industry Council, a U.S. group, said in a blog.
At a meeting chaired by Canada on Tuesday, 15 of the 20 WTO ambassadors involved in the talks voted to suspend the negotiations unless China comes back to the group with a more reasonable offer, one of the ambassadors said.
If China does not respond by mid-day on Wednesday, the talks will be put on hold, the ambassador told Reuters.
Once negotiators came up with a draft list of 256 products on which to cut tariffs, countries were asked to identify any "sensitive" items that they wanted to exclude from the agreement or reserve for long tariff phase-outs.
China's list totaled 148 products, including about 106 that it wanted to exclude, the ambassador said.
Countries with the next highest number of sensitive items were Thailand with 68 and El Salvador with 62, the ambassador said. The EU identified 10 sensitive products, the United States one and Canada zero, he said.
(Reporting by Doug Palmer; Editing by Philip Barbara)

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US industrial groups want to use its dominant tech advantage in IT/Semiconductor to push for Tariff Free world Wide especially going into China Market.

China said "Wait the minute. I can't let you have Tariff free for all your advanced IT tech products steam rolling into China and dominate the market, I need develop my own share of stuffs, I can't let you dominate completely".
 
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TyroneG

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After CHina's asking to removal of many IT tech products from the list and therefore the talk got stalled. US group is writing letters to China to urge to change its mind.

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Global electronics and IT industry groups, including the Semiconductor Electronics Industry of the Philippines, Inc. (SEIPI), have banded together to push for a swift and ambitious tariff elimination initiative and significantly expand the Information Technology Agreement (ITA) in light of the suspension of negotiations following a strong move by China to protect its domestic industry.
In a statement, the 81 global industry associations from 31 countries stressed that the ITA, which is one of the most commercially successful trade agreements in the World Trade Organization (WTO), has helped drive innovation, accelerate productivity, increase employment, lower consumer prices, and bridge communities across the globe in ways unimagined 16 years ago when the ITA was established.
Product expansion of the ITA, as well as expansion of geographic scope of the agreement would yield immediate and substantial benefits, removing tariffs on a vast array of tech products not currently covered, the statement said.
The groups also appealed to China to reconsider its long list of sensitivities it submitted to the WTO for its participation in the negotiations to expand the product coverage of the ITA.
A letter dated July 23, 2013 and addressed to People's Republic of China vice premier Wang Yang, signed by 35 industry groups around the world, stressed its concern over the suspension of the ITA negotiations because of China's move to protect a huge number of products.
"As voiced by countries participating in the negotiations, this delay was necessary because China presented a disproportionately large product sensitivities list," the letter said.
In fact, it said, China's list was more than twice as long as any other country's sensitivities list and included a request for the removal of roughly 100 product lines from the negotiating table.
"While we appreciate China's involvement in this important initiative, your government's large sensitivities list has suddenly emerged as the chief obstacle to our shared goal of obtaining an ambitious ITA expansion outcome this year," the statement noted.
According to these groups, an ambitious, balanced, and commercially significant expansion of the ITA would provide an important boost to the WTO as an institution and the global economy.
By one good estimate, the global industry said that ITA expansion would add $190 billion to global GDP annually.
"As a significant player in the global tech industry, China stands to be one of the largest beneficiaries of an expanded ITA, which would give a boost to the Chinese economy and help to strengthen China's innovation capacity," said the statement.
"Mr. Vice Premier, we urge China to continue to view this moment in trade history as a leadership opportunity to bolster global commerce in information and communications technology goods, spur worldwide growth, and give greater relevance to the work of the WTO," the letter added.
The groups urged China to return to the negotiating table quickly with a significantly reduced sensitivities list, both qualitatively and quantitatively, so they can conclude a new ITA within the year.
Given that it took 16 years to finally get serious about expanding the ITA, there is no assurance of another opportunity to do this important work again anytime soon.
 
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