Can you clarify what "Russia outlast NATO" means because NATO is not directly involved in the conflict but fighting Russia via proxy. How does one "outlast NATO" when it's not even directly involved in war?
The War in the Ukraine
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I would think it means NATO countries run out of political will to continue to supply Ukraine with money and equipment.
Earlier on in the year it's extremely politically incorrect to suggest anything other than pedal to the metal for supplying Ukraine to keep them in the war, now you have people openly calling for the opposite:
Given even more time this could well go from just talking about it to actually materializing. And I would not gamble against Russian's ability to endure war or hardship given in Russia it seems to be well understood that this war is now a matter of national survival.
To be fair, that's more likely Republicans being contrarians as usual. After all, now that the Iraqistan meta is gone, the MICs need another meta.
The Mi-24 helicopters delivered by the Czech Republic to Ukraine appeared on video. In the video, you can see how the Mi-24 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force launches unguided missiles in the pitch-up mode. The pitch-up mode allows you to attack with unguided missiles without entering the air defense coverage area. This method is used by Russian and Ukrainian aviation.
The commander of one of the Russian tanks participating in the battles in Ukraine is eighteen-year-old Daniel. Despite their young age, this crew already had three enemy tanks destroyed.
Russia is moving troops to the settlements between Brest and Malorita, this is in the west of Belarus. Directly to the south are the Ukrainian cities of Lutsk and Lvov. Officially, this is not commented on in any way, military analysts report that this is supposedly being done to block the western border of Ukraine and this should have been done at the very beginning. If Russian troops reach the city of Stryi in the Lviv region of Ukraine, it will be possible to block almost the entire border and limit the supply of weapons to Ukraine.
Russian Lancet drones hit the Buk-M1 air defense system of the Ukrainian army and the US-made 155-mm howitzer M-777.
A miniature homemade sapper robot was created by Russian craftsmen. The main purpose of the machine is the clearance of territories from mines of the PFM-1 Petal type. There are no technical details of the machine, it is known that the weight of the robot is about 250 kilograms and it is controlled remotely, as can be seen from the video, the robot is quite fast.
The commander of one of the Russian tanks participating in the battles in Ukraine is eighteen-year-old Daniel. Despite their young age, this crew already had three enemy tanks destroyed.
Russia is moving troops to the settlements between Brest and Malorita, this is in the west of Belarus. Directly to the south are the Ukrainian cities of Lutsk and Lvov. Officially, this is not commented on in any way, military analysts report that this is supposedly being done to block the western border of Ukraine and this should have been done at the very beginning. If Russian troops reach the city of Stryi in the Lviv region of Ukraine, it will be possible to block almost the entire border and limit the supply of weapons to Ukraine.
Russian Lancet drones hit the Buk-M1 air defense system of the Ukrainian army and the US-made 155-mm howitzer M-777.
A miniature homemade sapper robot was created by Russian craftsmen. The main purpose of the machine is the clearance of territories from mines of the PFM-1 Petal type. There are no technical details of the machine, it is known that the weight of the robot is about 250 kilograms and it is controlled remotely, as can be seen from the video, the robot is quite fast.
Since 2014, when NATO overthrew a legitimately elected Ukrainian government with a coup by blackmailing the corrupt Ukrainian military leadership (We had called them and said that their billions in Swiss accounts will be confiscated if they don't march to our drumbeat). Since that time, the Ukrainian military is funded increasingly by NATO. The commanders in the Ukrainian military are from NATO countries. When that happens, you have no self determination anymore. Ukraine had become an appendage to NATO, to be used and disposed of as we see fit. Ukraine had the option to a negotiated settlement in March but opted to continue fighting against its own interests. NATO gain control of the body that is Ukraine and is fighting Russia through Ukraine. It is not enough to just defeat Ukraine, the Russians must ensure that NATO the puppet master no longer have the will or the ability to continue to fight in Ukraine.
So this is how Russia takes care of their new recruits that is going to deploy to fight a supposed "existential threat?" And lets cut the BS about these being isolated incidents this is happening in many places where new Russian recruits are sent.
There's video of a gym looking building crowded with cots of new Russian recruits coughing up lungs spreading whatever cold-flu virus they are suffering from... it is a mess especially when you see how NATO/US is training Ukranian recruits not to mention the modern gear they are returning to Ukraine with. This war has totally changed my perception of what I thought the Russian military was.
There's video of a gym looking building crowded with cots of new Russian recruits coughing up lungs spreading whatever cold-flu virus they are suffering from... it is a mess especially when you see how NATO/US is training Ukranian recruits not to mention the modern gear they are returning to Ukraine with. This war has totally changed my perception of what I thought the Russian military was.
Ukrainian soldiers were holed up in a defensive position in that building. The Russians placed TNT charges around it and sent a mortar to ignite it.
Wounded Ukrainian soldier gives the finger to the drone operator after the drone operator drops a grenade near him and fails to kill him.
Quadcopter bombing into Ukrainian trenches. Its hard to say if there are people inside those trenches when the bomb is dropped but there might be.
New Russian quadcopters. These act as communication relay drones.
Wounded Ukrainian soldier gives the finger to the drone operator after the drone operator drops a grenade near him and fails to kill him.
Quadcopter bombing into Ukrainian trenches. Its hard to say if there are people inside those trenches when the bomb is dropped but there might be.
New Russian quadcopters. These act as communication relay drones.
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Actually, Australia did not have conscription in WW1. Nearly 40% of the male population aged 18-44 volunteered for service. The equivalent number for Russia today would be a scarcely comprehensible >9 million male soldiers under arms. In any case, I do not mean to belabour Australia's contribution to WW1, only to highlight how deeply unserious Russia's commitment to this war is. The numbers from any major power in WW1 or WW2 will bear that out. Operation Barbarossa saw Germany and its allies commit over 4 million men to the invasion of the Soviet Union, while by war's end the Red Army numbered over 11 million men and women drawn from a population not much larger than Russia's today. Adjusted for population, the USA committed significantly more forces to Vietnam than Russia has committed to Ukraine. Sure, war has changed, but that only goes so far.
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I think everybody has to be very careful about what they think may happen next.
What we can be very confident about is that a very large new Russian force will shortly enter into the conflict and it seems highly likely that they will open a new front to do so.
There are numerous locations where this could be, but it is not so much the where, but what it achieves by so doing. The main objective, as see it, will be to cause massive dislocation to the Ukrainian forces as they try and reposition to meet the new threat. The Russians want to make this as difficult as possible by hitting the energy infrastructure which makes the transportation of men, machines, ammunition and fuel all the more difficult.
Clearly the Russians are not going to want to telegraph their true intentions and therefore give the Ukrainians a chance to pre-position in anticipation. Ideally, the Russians would want to attack, where the Ukrainians are not, but obviously there are limits to their ability to position sufficient forces quickly enough to wrong foot the Ukrainians.
We have seen that when the Ukrainians need to move forces away from the established front lines, that the Russian forces already there are able to start advancing. We saw this along the Donbass front last week and only the rapid return of Ukrainian forces managed to stop the Russian offensives. The cost of course is that the Ukraine's own offensives have now come crashing to a halt as well.
Its a tough call for the Ukrainians, defend the key lines in the South or go all out to block the new front wherever it may emerge and kiss goodbye to the South forever, or lose another large chunk of the country somewhere.