The War in the Ukraine

RottenPanzer

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Unfortunately this is not outright nonsense, and the Russians themselves have admitted and even boasted about the S-300 strikes on target land.

The missiles used for ground operation are those with expired shelf life to be disposed of, produced in the 80-90s. There is no point for Russia to bother with costly lifetime extensions when it has an established assembly line production facility.

They have about 5000 old C300 missiles that they use for ground strikes, no accuracy, but for a nightmare of civilians it will do.

It has a range of about 180 km after a slight modification. The accuracy is plus or minus 500m, because at such a distance it is launched as a rocket launcher. But it hits the cities. And it has been done for several months, in summer they started to use such way in Nikolaev. The Ukrainian army has not so many missiles left... This is just a lot of this stuff with expired shelf life.
Wait
So you are implying that Russia used an old S-300 missile that was repurposed as a small TBM when it has thousands of Cruise Missiles?
 

Anlsvrthng

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It has a range of about 180 km after a slight modification. The accuracy is plus or minus 500m, because at such a distance it is launched as a rocket launcher. But it hits the cities. And it has been done for several months, in summer they started to use such way in Nikolaev. The Ukrainian army has not so many missiles left... This is just a lot of this stuff with expired shelf life.
Link ?

Or at least a picture ?

I haven't heard any terror bombing on Russian side, it could be interesting to see any information about it.
 

Stealthflanker

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Unfortunately this is not outright nonsense, and the Russians themselves have admitted and even boasted about the S-300 strikes on target land.

And where one can find this "admission" or "boasts"

The missiles used for ground operation are those with expired shelf life to be disposed of, produced in the 80-90s. There is no point for Russia to bother with costly lifetime extensions when it has an established assembly line production facility.

Oh.. are they reliable ? You know Russians do expend this for training.. and this can happen.


It has a range of about 180 km after a slight modification.

You know, 5V55 and 48N6 comes with SEALED tube.. meaning the missile will never be exposed to the elements as soon as it left factory floor. Modification means OPENING the tube, compromising the missile and in case of older missile compromise it even more. This cannot be done in field condition or in military base. It has to be done in Fakel plant as you then have to Reseal the tube and maybe evacuate air from it (vacuum).

Looks to me like too much work for little benefit.
 

tabu

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Wait
So you are implying that Russia used an old S-300 missile that was repurposed as a small TBM when it has thousands of Cruise Missiles?
S-300 are not just used en masse as tactical missiles on Ukrainian targets, but also refined (contract fuse). By the hundreds.
But the Iskanders and Tochkas are practically out.
 

sheogorath

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Unfortunately this is not outright nonsense, and the Russians themselves have admitted and even boasted about the S-300 strikes on target land.

The missiles used for ground operation are those with expired shelf life to be disposed of, produced in the 80-90s. There is no point for Russia to bother with costly lifetime extensions when it has an established assembly line production facility.

They have about 5000 old C300 missiles that they use for ground strikes, no accuracy, but for a nightmare of civilians it will do.

It has a range of about 180 km after a slight modification. The accuracy is plus or minus 500m, because at such a distance it is launched as a rocket launcher. But it hits the cities. And it has been done for several months, in summer they started to use such way in Nikolaev. The Ukrainian army has not so many missiles left... This is just a lot of this stuff with expired shelf life.
I am sure you have a source for all those claims. S-300/S-400 do have a land strike mode but the only admited use of it was in the south.
 

gelgoog

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S-300 are not just used en masse as tactical missiles on Ukrainian targets, but also refined (contract fuse). By the hundreds.
But the Iskanders and Tochkas are practically out.
Now I know you are bullshitting me since Russia has retired the Tochka from service and has not used it in Ukraine. The only Tochkas used in Ukraine were from the Ukrainian army. Like the strikes Ukraine did in the harbor at Berdyansk on the Russian transport ships with canister rounds.

On another note. Winter is coming.
 

sheogorath

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I’ve heard Micheal Koffman and his colleagues from War on the Rocks report the same during their last visit to Kherson area in Ukraine: S-300 missiles used as a terror bombing instrument.

At this point I think it was obvious think tankies aren't trustworthy sources. Specially Wilson Institute think tankies...

The Russians had Tochka U, they used them at the beginning of the war: they were highlighted in the videos uploaded by the orcs themselves.
n operations against Ukraine, the vicinity of the Vuhledar hospital was hit by a 9M79 missile on 24 February 2022. Amnesty International described the circumstances and the use of cluster munitions as a possible war crime.[27] Two 9M79 missiles were used in the attack on the Kramatorsk railway station on 8 April 2022
There are reports of the Tochkas used against both targets being Ukranian in order to blame the Russians, particularly Kramatorsk as the only Tochkas in the Russian side were captured Ukranian units used by the DNR/LPR since 2014.

Also spare us from the racist "orc" narrative.


CNN reports the US is running low on 155mm ammunition, Stingers and that US and Europe industrial base can't really keep up

One reason for the concern about low stockpiles is that the US industrial base is having difficulty keeping up with demand quickly enough, the sources said. In addition, European allies cannot sufficiently backfill Ukrainian military requests due to their need to maintain to their own forces’ supplies.

“It’s getting harder and harder,” Rep. Mike Quigley, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told CNN. “This is a war we thought would be over in days but now could be years. At a time when global supply chains are melting down, the West is going to have a very difficult time to meet demands at this very high level.”



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Ukranian soldiers spottend near Kuzemivka, a Buratino is used to try to clear the area


Soldiers get hit by an artillery round while boarding a Humvee
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Zichan

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and i guess that includes putting Satellite navigation in the missile ?
It wouldn’t be the first time that Russian troops are using the wrong tool for the job.

They fired tons of Tochka-U at Ukrainian artillery pieces, wasting a valuable weapon. Likewise, the spamming of Kh-59 missiles at low value targets by the VKS due to disarray in target planning and the subordination of the VKS to the Army.
 

Anlsvrthng

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I’ve heard Micheal Koffman and his colleagues from War on the Rocks report the same during their last visit to Kherson area in Ukraine: S-300 missiles used as a terror bombing instrument.
Maybe those was the malfunctioning Ukrainan missisles, expired they use by date few decades ago.


Ocham's razzor, by the available videos the Ukrainan SAM missiles raining onto the cities there .
 
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