The War in the Ukraine
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This is a really cringe strawman. It's not that territory is useless. It's that different territories have different value. It's not "take and hold anything and everything at any and all costs" but "extract the greatest gains for the lowest price, and force your enemy to pay the highest price for the least valuable and/or least preservable gains".
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When Russia was gaining territory,
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Russia is strong, superior tactics and equipment are overwhelming the low morale Ukrainians
When Ukraine is gaining back territory from Russia,
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Well in fact, territory doesn't matter that much, and actually gaining territory from Russia is a trap in order to lure Ukrainian forces in before crashing them. 5D chess?
Is it too much to ask to be fair? People say yes, good job Russia, you did great. When Ukraine is doing great though, excuses start flowing in like water. Btw, territory is actually important, otherwise Russia wouldn't be grinding Ukraine down to the last man for half a year in order to get some territory from it
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Russia's chosen strategy is to take things slowly and focus on getting a better loss ratio. But of course, Russia is not the only one who gets a vote on how the war goes. Ukraine is proactive and seems to have applied a 21st century version of PVA tactics.
Russia's bet is likely to wait until the weather gets colder. It worked for the Americans against China in Korea. The situation was even more grim for them back then, with a huge retreat and terrible loss ratios. US army made a comeback, dealing heavy casualties to the volunteer forces once winter hit, because with winter equipment, it is impossible for soldiers to survive with light packing on their own, so Chinese forces had to engage in direct artillery duels and clump up. In the end, the damage US did was not enough to cause anything more than a ceasefire, but US "made up" for their deaths during the retreat and then a few tens of thousands more.
Talking about "Russian territory" up until today around 13:00, the claimed areas were not Russian yet. With the Duma approving the proposals today, it is from now that the timeline for Russia to start reinforcing "its territory" begins. Of course, Russia has already called in more troops well in advance of the annexation, because it takes time to equip them.
Losing a few towns to Ukraine was probably not in Russian calculations, at least not main calculations. It puts Russia on an increased timer.
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The two person is not the same .
You covering lot of opinion and view under one hat, and consdiering like you see the writing of one person, not hundreeds.
This kind of "Russia inflict the highest losses to the NATO/Ukrine" is the most prelevant view on the forum, considering that they haven't move too much in the past few month, but inflicted huge losses to the enemy.
The current play is only a version of this.
This time the best NATO trained man with the best NATO equipment doing the push, and the thin russian defenders just let them bleed.
If they loose more territory, but the NATO equipment destroyed, and best part of the NATO trained troops, then it will be easier when the mobilised soldiers turn up .
Most supporters of either side tend to make many and at times silly excuses for setbacks that the side that they support suffers. There is the need to be circumspect. The war is far from over. Full mobilization and deployment of the partial reserves that gave been raised will take at least a couple of months, in the meanwhile, additional Russian reinforcements from active duty brigades are arriving in Ukraine, at least slowly...
Russia's negligence in keeping sufficient number of troops in the Kharkov and northern Donetsk regions before the Ukrainians went on the offensive is Russia's own fault. Had they done so, Ukrainian advances would at least be significantly smaller, but Ukraine did what it had to do and exploited the weakness and complacency of Russia to make the advances that it has.
Retrospectively again, Russia should have actually raised the partial reserves in July when it was steadily advancing territory in Kharkov and northern Donbass. Russia's then chief proclamation was that it wanted to expel Ukrainian troops from all of Donbass, but after the Severodonetsk Conurbation Battle it stopped pressing it's advance. It was obvious back then that it needed many more troops to ensure its objectives were completed as quickly and decisively as possible. The Donbass and Luhansk Militias patently don't and didn't have the resources to make such progress by themselves even with Russian artillery support.
Russia's negligence in keeping sufficient number of troops in the Kharkov and northern Donetsk regions before the Ukrainians went on the offensive is Russia's own fault. Had they done so, Ukrainian advances would at least be significantly smaller, but Ukraine did what it had to do and exploited the weakness and complacency of Russia to make the advances that it has.
Retrospectively again, Russia should have actually raised the partial reserves in July when it was steadily advancing territory in Kharkov and northern Donbass. Russia's then chief proclamation was that it wanted to expel Ukrainian troops from all of Donbass, but after the Severodonetsk Conurbation Battle it stopped pressing it's advance. It was obvious back then that it needed many more troops to ensure its objectives were completed as quickly and decisively as possible. The Donbass and Luhansk Militias patently don't and didn't have the resources to make such progress by themselves even with Russian artillery support.
And is it fair to just admit that Russia may not win this war, and this conflict may drag on for years with the only possible exit strategy being a negotiated truth. The threat of using nukes is a sign of desperation. And when I mention how China is boxed in from helping Russia (considering how a victorious Russia in this war is vital to Chinese interests), people here said: " real friends don't ask each other for help".