The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker

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NASAMS 1 doesn't have Link any type of Link connection though, only NASAMS 2 does. And if we go by the trend of "old" modern equipment, if they indeed got them they most likely are Gen 1 systems.

Then it's more into "Giant Manpads" realm.

Still. being active radar homing give some good perks.
 

Zichan

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As for NASAMS it looks worse on paper than Buk.
Not compared to the Buk variant Ukraine operates. NASAMS is all about firepower: it has active radar homing missiles, whereas the Ukrainian Buk is semi-active and can only engage one target at a time per TELAR. That makes NASAMS superior against saturation attacks.

Having said that, Buks have proven themselves as formidable ambush weapons against aircraft. Each TELAR can operate individually and with NATO radar cuing initiate surprise attacks against Russian aircraft. I believe the Buk was responsible for the majority of downed Russian aircraft.
 

Zichan

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And high cost.

There won't be enought missile to shoot down all Iranian drones.
For that, the Israeli Iron Dome would be a more cost effective solution judging by
the cost of each missile.

Germany could send them a few of their 35mm Rheinmetal Mantis guns for point defense of high value infrastructure.
 
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sheogorath

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Then it's more into "Giant Manpads" realm.

Still. being active radar homing give some good perks.

According to the Spanish Army, it is actually semi-active. Also, that effective range and speed; shows the limitations of using an air-to-air-missile in surface-to-air role.

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Stealthflanker

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According to the Spanish Army, it is actually semi-active. Also, that effective range and speed; shows the limitations of using an air-to-air-missile in surface-to-air role.

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The table contradict itself... Notice the AMRAAM part.. Fire and Forget... and later Semi-Active. Maybe Spanish do Fill it with Semi-active sparrow. But this doesnt make any sense because Sparrow needs an Illuminator.

Something which we Indonesians who operated NASAMS did not receive or operate.
 

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For that, the Israeli Iron Dome would be a more cost effective solution judging by
the cost of each missile.

Germany could send them a few of their 35mm Rheinmetal Mantis guns for point defense of high value infrastructure.
The Iron dome was developed to counter this type of situation. Low speed, low cost missiles like what Hamas were firing at them. I still don't think it'll be very cost effective but it'll be much better than anything in the Ukrainians current inventory.

Too bad the Israelis won't move a finger to help the Ukrainians...They're probably glad Iranian drones are landing on the Ukrainians and not themselves.
 

Stealthflanker

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The "cost effectiveness" or "cost per shot" Is kind of meme today i think. Like it so far only give media bragging rights.

Expending a kalibr for say something like a dummy or shooting down 20K shahed with 300K USD worth of AMRAAM or Buks doesnt really say much. It's not like Russia will stop making Kalibr or other types of missile anytime soon in the other hand Ukraine will keep receiving missiles and wont really be at point where every shots count.
 
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