The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Since someone mentioned that Russia stopped putting out videos because they ran out of missiles

What has been claimed to be a video from a Kh-69
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Land-based P-800


In case you need a source other than RT:

Turns out you need to be able to produce more than 5 Pzh2000/M777/GMLRS a week to fight a near-peer war, even a proxy one, unlike fighting radicalized goat herders.

You'd think they could have seen this coming in their simulations but then again, an actually working production line geared towards future planning might go against the shareholders profits.

Also, I guess someone thinks they will get the Kurils back somehow if Ukraine wins, which explains the passive-agressive "Haha" reactions.
 

Atomicfrog

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Since someone mentioned that Russia stopped putting out videos because they ran out of missiles

When Ukrainian relying on sabotages, suicidal commercial quad drones and cannon fodders, it doesn't valuable enough target to use high cost missiles anyway... Way clever to use old stockpiles of grads against poor bloody conscripts and bed racks on tank turrets against commercial drones.
 
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TK3600

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It's an example to demonstrate a point, if you bothered to read the post in full. For what its worth, I tend to believe the lower casualty figures claimed for Russia.
There is no way they will gain a useful increase of population from taking Ukrainian territory. There are claims of 190.000+ dead Ukrainians. God knows how many more have been wounded and maimed. I'm willing to bet Ukraine has been taking those troops primarily from the east, not Kiev or the west.



Apart from the initial push, that's my interpretation as well, they have tried to minimize losses a lot.
You do realize Donetsk alone has almost a million population? Kharkov has 2 million+. Russia can lose a million and still get those back after the war if they take half of Ukraine.
 

plawolf

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When Ukrainian relying on sabotages, suicidal commercial quad drones and cannon fodders, it doesn't valuable enough target to use high cost missiles anyway... Way clever to use old stockpiles of grads against poor bloody conscripts and bed racks on tank turrets against commercial drones.

Given that I am seeing increasing footage of things like the Russians using ATGMs on snipers, it’s honestly looking like they just can’t find enough high value targets left to be worth showing videos of.

After you have seen countless videos of tree lines of hiding Ukrainian cannon fodder getting absolutely obliterated by Russian artillery, they all start to blur together and I’m sure the Russians are getting as bored of uploading them as we are of watching them.
 

phrozenflame

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Since someone mentioned that Russia stopped putting out videos because they ran out of missiles

What has been claimed to be a video from a Kh-69
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Land-based P-800




Turns out you need to be able to produce more than 5 Pzh2000/M777/GMLRS a week to fight a near-peer war, even a proxy one, unlike fighting radicalized goat herders.

You'd think they could have seen this coming in their simulations but then again, an actually working production line geared towards future planning might go against the shareholders profits.

Also, I guess someone thinks they will get the Kurils back somehow if Ukraine wins, which explains the passive-agressive "Haha" reactions.
Kindly remind yourselves that the goat herders lost the battles but won the war. Ty
 

B777LR

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You do realize Donetsk alone has almost a million population? Kharkov has 2 million+. Russia can lose a million and still get those back after the war if they take half of Ukraine.

The demographics of Ukraine are even worse than those of Russia. They will be taking over a bunch of pensioners. Young people already fled or signed up for the grinder. You don't solve the problem of the shrinking Russian population and manning a sufficiently sized force in 20 years by taking over pensioners.

Pretty sure they are just taking conscript from anywhere they can. Really doubt they are specifically picking people from the East who are more likely to be sympathetic to Russia, which poses a security risk.

The Ukrainian strategy of territorial defence forces relies heavily on using local forces fighting in familiar territory.

Ukraine isn't one big void with every soldier and conscript lined up along the frontline. They need to cover the entire border and most important cities, or else the Russians would just pour in where they aren't located.

There has been a lot of stuff shared on this thread by disgruntled Ukrainian troops and foreign volunteers about how foreign donated equipment is distributed, and it is pretty obvious that units close to Kiev and in the west get the first picks, while those in the east doing the fighting get whatever scraps remain. Clearly Kiev isn't throwing everyone into the fight equally.
 

Mohsin77

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No battle plan survive first contact with the enemy, to class that as ‘failure’ is to display a shocking ignorance to the realities of war.

Do you know where that quote comes from? People abuse this quote by Moltke a lot. To use Moltke (of all people) to defend Russia's performance is what I consider to be "shocking ignorance."

Moltke didn't mean fall back to a battle of attrition whenever your plan fails. He trained his Officer Corps for exactly the opposite. His goal was to adjust to a fluid situation without getting bogged down in a battle of attrition. But doing this requires a lot of initiative in the field (something the Russian command structure lacks), highly trained officers and great logistics. The results of this is what Moltke's General Staff demonstrated in the War of 1870, which unlike Russia's war in Ukraine, was not a war of attrition. It was a stunning victory at very quick speed, against a larger opponent. He wrecked the French so badly, the entire world was like 'WTF.' No one expected it.

Compare that to Russia in Ukraine. It's basically the exact opposite. Case in point:

The Russians are getting almost zero style points, but their battlefield results speak for themselves.

Moltke (whose quote you used) had Paris surrounded in 2 Months, and he was fighting a larger country, when his own side wasn't even a unified country yet.

Russia, on the other hand, launched in February. We're in late August, and Kiev still stands after a failed attempt at encirclement. So yea... "results speak for themselves." If/When Russia wins this war (and everyone still expects them to win in attrition) they will definitely not be getting any "style points." This is yet another cautionary tale of how not to execute a war.
 
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