The War in the Ukraine

Temstar · Jul 12, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1546506204754616329

Found on the streets of Lisichansk. AFU pulled it off the monument and tried to put it into service but alas looks like Stalin's steel decided to refuse them.

In case you see any Ukrainians wanting to argue that Russia is so out of tanks they're bringing out T-34-85, here's a video of someone on the ground checking the monument itself not far away confirming indeed it's empty:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1540238355090358273

Here's the same tank 227 on it's monument in 2015:

supersnoop · Jul 12, 2022

Isn’t there only 4 HIMARS right now? If it was such a superweapon, how does Iraq still exist? Not saying it’s not effective, just seems exaggerated.

Stealthflanker · Jul 12, 2022

GMLRS have RCS too.. that makes it a challenging.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1546980665677062144

Ukrainian has been smart by launching BM-27's as a decoy to saturate Pantsyr or other Russian systems. GMLRS itself however have relatively small RCS of 0.03 sqm in Pantsyr engagement radar working band (35-37 GHz) while in S-band it's bit higher 0.04-0.05 sqm. Still challenging tho. This 0.03 sqm target will be detected at 7 km.. a very short distance, but since Pantsyr is automated, it can react fast enough in order of 4 seconds which still allows intercept of at least 1 or if multiple target channel i hypothesized in the tweet is acceptable 5 rockets. But 6th rocket will get through.

Thus to adequately protects some ammo dumps or anything from such saturation strike.. Multiple systems have to be present which will be cumbersome.

My conclusion from the tweet is that Russian systems got saturated. Discrimination will be hard as MLRS rocket have no real JEM (Jet Engine Modulation) to identify it. so there would be no telling which is GMLRS and which is BM-27 or other Ukrainian projectiles. It would require higher resolution radar, particularly range and maybe narrower beamwidth which may not be practical for SAM engagement radar.

How impractical ? for example high range resolution requires either short pulsewidth maybe in 0.1 microseconds or less which will cuck power aperture performance or simply need very high PRF that range measurement become almost impossible or inaccurate due to need to use FM Ranging or high pulse compression ratio which entails long pulse which cuck minimum range (e.g 100 microseconds).
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So what Russia can do ? Well either they go the great scud hunt mode or just take more land, and therefor keep Himars out of range by occupying positions they might be taking in the first place.

Sheleah · Jul 12, 2022

Russian intelligence officials totally useless, unable to supply information to the air force to try to hunt down the Ukrainian artillery systems... If the Russians are not stupid they must be mobilizing intelligence material and aircraft to effectively hunt down the systems that they are hurting him (Pz-200, Caesar, HIMARS), that they are sweeping positions almost with immunity...

I never understood why the Russians did not attack Western shipments before reaching the front, the Russian air force, which in theory has Aere superiority in the Ukraine, has been inefficient or at least timid... If at this moment the Russians are having great losses , I do not want to imagine when the Ukrainians will receive more artillery systems, aircraft and anti-aircraft defense systems

cn_habs · Jul 13, 2022

Sheleah said:
Russian intelligence officials totally useless, unable to supply information to the air force to try to hunt down the Ukrainian artillery systems... If the Russians are not stupid they must be mobilizing intelligence material and aircraft to effectively hunt down the systems that they are hurting him (Pz-200, Caesar, HIMARS), that they are sweeping positions almost with immunity...

I never understood why the Russians did not attack Western shipments before reaching the front, the Russian air force, which in theory has Aere superiority in the Ukraine, has been inefficient or at least timid... If at this moment the Russians are having great losses , I do not want to imagine when the Ukrainians will receive more artillery systems, aircraft and anti-aircraft defense systems

It's a lack of PGM's as cruise missiles only work on stationary targets not convoys of trucks.

Yommie · Jul 13, 2022

Stealthflanker said:
GMLRS have RCS too.. that makes it a challenging.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1546980665677062144

Ukrainian has been smart by launching BM-27's as a decoy to saturate Pantsyr or other Russian systems. GMLRS itself however have relatively small RCS of 0.03 sqm in Pantsyr engagement radar working band (35-37 GHz) while in S-band it's bit higher 0.04-0.05 sqm. Still challenging tho. This 0.03 sqm target will be detected at 7 km.. a very short distance, but since Pantsyr is automated, it can react fast enough in order of 4 seconds which still allows intercept of at least 1 or if multiple target channel i hypothesized in the tweet is acceptable 5 rockets. But 6th rocket will get through.

Thus to adequately protects some ammo dumps or anything from such saturation strike.. Multiple systems have to be present which will be cumbersome.

My conclusion from the tweet is that Russian systems got saturated. Discrimination will be hard as MLRS rocket have no real JEM (Jet Engine Modulation) to identify it. so there would be no telling which is GMLRS and which is BM-27 or other Ukrainian projectiles. It would require higher resolution radar, particularly range and maybe narrower beamwidth which may not be practical for SAM engagement radar.

How impractical ? for example high range resolution requires either short pulsewidth maybe in 0.1 microseconds or less which will cuck power aperture performance or simply need very high PRF that range measurement become almost impossible or inaccurate due to need to use FM Ranging or high pulse compression ratio which entails long pulse which cuck minimum range (e.g 100 microseconds).
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So what Russia can do ? Well either they go the great scud hunt mode or just take more land, and therefor keep Himars out of range by occupying positions they might be taking in the first place.

Simple solution is put ammo in schools and hospitals and use civilians as human shield.

Biscuits · Jul 13, 2022

supersnoop said:
Isn’t there only 4 HIMARS right now? If it was such a superweapon, how does Iraq still exist? Not saying it’s not effective, just seems exaggerated.

Around 20 minus around 2 destroyed.

Also the coping about it on twitter has all the hallmarks of US glowie activity, I'm ashamed some people here would fall so easily for their narrative.

Both sides have been shooting at depots of the other side since the war started. Ukraine has not achieved anything different from during the earlier battles.

Destroying a few warehouses, killing a few civilians, doesn't win a war or turn the tide. If that was the case, Russia would have won in 1 week. You can't even count the amount of AFU depots destroyed by Russian MLRS and Iskander. And then, Russia even hit the refineries, training camps, military factories and fuel depots as well. Even so, what hurts Ukraine the most is the deaths of skilled servicemen.

US does not want people to talk about the shameful defeat in severodonetsk, faltering strength in BTGs and potential morale breaks among the Ukrainian side, so in typical state propaganda fashion has ordered their shills to divert and distract, hyping up USA products as a panacea. That way, they can say that even if they lose, it was the Ukrainian's fault because US gave them the "best weapons in the world", which might sell a few himars lemons to gullible countries... Given the recent rumors, it appears they already found their first customer in the RU armed forces lol.

Yommie · Jul 13, 2022

Biscuits said:
Around 20 minus around 2 destroyed.

Also the coping about it on twitter has all the hallmarks of US glowie activity, I'm ashamed some people here would fall so easily for their narrative.

Both sides have been shooting at depots of the other side since the war started. Ukraine has not achieved anything different from during the earlier battles.

Destroying a few warehouses, killing a few civilians, doesn't win a war or turn the tide. If that was the case, Russia would have won in 1 week. You can't even count the amount of AFU depots destroyed by Russian MLRS and Iskander. And then, Russia even hit the refineries, training camps, military factories and fuel depots as well. Even so, what hurts Ukraine the most is the deaths of skilled servicemen.

US does not want people to talk about the shameful defeat in severodonetsk, faltering strength in BTGs and potential morale breaks among the Ukrainian side, so in typical state propaganda fashion has ordered their shills to divert and distract, hyping up USA products as a panacea. That way, they can say that even if they lose, it was the Ukrainian's fault because US gave them the "best weapons in the world", which might sell a few himars lemons to gullible countries... Given the recent rumors, it appears they already found their first customer in the RU armed forces lol.

Does the Kiev regime still have operational oil refineries? It seems they don't have any shortage of fuel for their tanks and supply trucks.

FairAndUnbiased · Jul 13, 2022

Yommie said:
Does the Kiev regime still have operational oil refineries? It seems they don't have any shortage of fuel for their tanks and supply trucks.

they are likely getting truck/train fuel shipments from Poland and rationing civilian usage.

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they're also not really moving much.

Biscuits · Jul 13, 2022

Yommie said:
Does the Kiev regime still have operational oil refineries? It seems they don't have any shortage of fuel for their tanks and supply trucks.

I've not seen much UA tank movements for a long time. Feel free to contradict that statement if you've seen footage. They are probably saving their limited fuel for the trucks, as the mobile artillery is more helpful than tanks.

We haven't had shelling of civilians in awhile probably due to Ukraine artillery especially Smerch being wiped out or almost wiped out. Ukraine just got enough weapons to restart their terrorizing campaign on a more limited scale.

Truthfully, Russia has never really had good capability to shield ldpr cities from Ukrainian artillery. During earlier stages of the war, dozens of attacks in a week would happen. The main way Russia countered these attacks was by attacking the platforms and taking ground.

Logically speaking, such attacks from Ukraine will also not affect the situation on the ground much. They're shelling what were former Ukrainian people and former Ukrainian industries.

We shall see how the war progresses at Bakhmut.

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