The War in the Ukraine

HighGround

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I already said this before but Russia started strenghtening its economy against Western sanctions since 2014. It is easy to forget but back then Russia was a net food importer, most of its food imports came from the EU. They since turned that around and became a major food exporter. Back then Russia did not have the Mir card or SPFS either. So a SWIFT ban would have been much more disruptive.
Russia is likely going to face a recession after this war ends. This is pretty normal for any economy after a war. Russia will maintain a relatively high defense budget to recapitalize its armed forces, but spending will fall. There won't be a need for hazard pay or a need for such a large contract force either. Even if there was, the pay won't be anywhere near as attractive since the risk of death won't quite be as prevalent.

I'm not sure what consequences this will have for Russia long-term. Yes, Russia has benefitted a lot from this war, it made a lot of necessary investments, but a deep recession can scupper and delay long-term growth. It could even ruin a lot of the investments it made depending on how deep and prolonged the post-war recession is. I don't expect this worst-case scenario, but I do expect at least a mild recession.


The Russian army modernization started much earlier, in like 2008, after the conflict with Georgia when they figured out their Soviet era systems did not cut it anymore.

The Georgian army for example had thermal vision fitted to its T-72 tanks in the Israeli SIM1 upgrade, and they had encrypted radios. Their Buk SAMs were also modernized by Ukraine. So they had modern digital control stations.

I think it was Bismarck who said that confronting Russia militarily only made them stronger, while in peace they would pretty much collapse. And that seems to be the case.

It took the 2014 and 2022 sanctions for programs that were stuttering for two decades in Russia to start moving again. If anything the war seems to have galvanized the economy.

Russia can now make their own modern medium speed diesel engine, the D500, and their own naval gas turbine, the M90FR.
They also finally make their own helicopter engines. The VK-2500, VK-650, and VK-1600. Their own transport aviation engines the PD-14 and PD-8.

The advances are not just limited to the military and defense sectors either. For example Russia recently became one of the world's top producers of helium gas. They became the world's largest exporter of wheat and sunflower oil. And a huge exporter of fertilizers.

The Russians have a lot of technical expertise. Which was not tapped properly because of foreign competition. I still remember claims being made that the Western sanctions would stop Russian production of diesel and gasoline. Because Russia imported basically all their refinery catalysts. Well it turns out Russia just designed and produced their own at Rosneft.

The bigger question is what will happen to the ruble after the war ends, as well as the labor market. What sanctions will remain, which ones will go away. I also expect that many Russian firms will try to go back to "business as usual" with the West despite what this war has repeatedly tried to teach them.
 

Racek49

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The bigger question is what will happen to the ruble after the war ends, as well as the labor market. What sanctions will remain, which ones will go away. I also expect that many Russian firms will try to go back to "business as usual" with the West despite what this war has repeatedly tried to teach them.
The war taught the Russians that the West was exactly what the communists in the USSR told them.
 

vincent

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I'm not sure what consequences this will have for Russia long-term. Yes, Russia has benefitted a lot from this war, it made a lot of necessary investments, but a deep recession can scupper and delay long-term growth. It could even ruin a lot of the investments it made depending on how deep and prolonged the post-war recession is. I don't expect this worst-case scenario, but I do expect at least a mild recession.

The bigger question is what will happen to the ruble after the war ends, as well as the labor market. What sanctions will remain, which ones will go away. I also expect that many Russian firms will try to go back to "business as usual" with the West despite what this war has repeatedly tried to teach them.
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When Chinese leadership wanted to switch their command economy to a market one, they actually wanted to learn from the US and others how they switched from a war economy back to a market one after WWII.
 

Soldier30

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The Russian kamikaze drone Molniya-2 was used for the first time with a new warhead in the Sumy region of Ukraine. The drone has a thermobaric grenade from the Shmel flamethrower as a warhead. Technical information about it and the Molniya-2 UAV is in the link to the video in the comments to the video. The Molniya-2 drone attacked a house where soldiers of the 21st brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were stationed. Judging by the video, visually, the drone with such a warhead is much more powerful.

 

antiterror13

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Russian leadership knew they had to do it no matter what. It is not a war of choice.

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Ukraine was heavily funded since 2014 against Russia.

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Russia now has a reformed military and economy. On the tactical side, it is inflicting extremely significant casualties. You can read yourself from a western source:

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Unlike in all previous wars with this level of casualties, Ukraine has one of the lowest birth rates in the world, on par with South Korea.

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In contrast, in Vietnam, the average age was 18 and the average fertility rate was 5.

25 to 60 years is not right for military .. more likely should be 17/18 to 45/50. You wouldn't send 60 yrs old male to fight in hard condition
 

Soldier30

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There is a lot of debate about what kind of bombs Russia uses in Ukraine. Footage has been published with an explanation from the Russian Defense Ministry about the use of an ODAB-1500 aerial bomb by a Su-34 aircraft. The ODAB-1500 bomb with a UMPK module was dropped on a temporary deployment point of the 114th separate territorial defense brigade of the Ukrainian army in the Kupyansk area. The damaging factor of the ODAB bomb is a supersonic blast shock wave, high temperature up to 4000°C and pressure drop.

 

sheogorath

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I don't know if some kind of bladed barb wires raised on pole could be interesting for perimeter defense against these fiber optic drones.
There has been attempts with the roads covered in nets but it seems the Russians just FAB the road, creating an opening through which they insert the drones.

Seems they are finally getting around to doing what they should have done years ago

 

FairAndUnbiased

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25 to 60 years is not right for military .. more likely should be 17/18 to 45/50. You wouldn't send 60 yrs old male to fight in hard condition
Ukraine doesn't mobilize men under 25 because it is actually one of the smallest demographic groups and would wreck their future post war. Further proof that Russia is inflicting demographically significant casualties.
 
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