The War in the Ukraine

siegecrossbow

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I don't think it would make much of a difference to be honest. The primary threat keeping Ukrainian F-16s flying low are Russian SAMs. Without specialized EW aircraft or LO fighters (or preferably both) I don't see how Ukraine could reliably engage Russian CAPs on an equal footing.

Same goes for most EU air forces. They have a lot more equipment and can probably do SEAD, but an air war in Ukraine would probably "expose" them a lot more than they'd like to admit. Particularly if it's done independently without US support.

Not ones with F-35… Oh wait, Trump probably can mission kill those.
 

zyklon

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No surprise there really. Despite the fact that Redditors and Froggies love to play up F-16 as some invincible fighter aircraft the variant supplied to Ukraine is still early block, and that puts it at a disadvantage against 4++ fighter aircraft like the Su-35 in terms of avionics and weapons. Using block 52 would be a much fairer fight, and F-16V or Block 60 + AIM-120C will tilt the favor to Ukrainian Air Force if properly guided by NATO AWACs.

I don't think it would make much of a difference to be honest. The primary threat keeping Ukrainian F-16s flying low are Russian SAMs. Without specialized EW aircraft or LO fighters (or preferably both) I don't see how Ukraine could reliably engage Russian CAPs on an equal footing.

Same goes for most EU air forces. They have a lot more equipment and can probably do SEAD, but an air war in Ukraine would probably "expose" them a lot more than they'd like to admit. Particularly if it's done independently without US support.

The other issue is a shortage of Ukrainian fighter pilots who've undergone conversion training to fly the F-16.

In fact, it's likely a more significant bottleneck than the number of F-16 airframes that could be made available for transfer to Ukraine from NATO inventories, assuming Trump is willing to let it happen.

As such, if this war drags on and Ukraine gets more Western fighters beyond what's been promised already, there's a reasonable chance some of the airframes will have to be piloted by contractors from NATO member states.
 

Tam

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Leopard and Maxxpro gets taken out in the South Donetsk region by drones.

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FAB strike on an AFU PVD in the Novaya Poltava region.

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T-72B3M - 2024, sighted with the Relikt active armor.

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Geran arrivals on Kirovograd. More than 30 are said to arrive on targets, said to be defense industry, logistics and railway targets.

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A mother with three small children walked from Konstantinopol to Ulakli. They succeeded safely.

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The 247th VDV Regiment begins storming Lobkove. Zaporozhye region.

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Bradley headed towards Belgorod Demikovka gets destroyed. Plus more vehicles taken out, one clearly by a Lancet. The Bradley and the tanks are likely taken out either by artillery or Lancets.

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Two more Bradleys getting hit by fiberoptic drones in the Belgorod border. The 177th Marine Regiment and the 40th Arctic Marine Battalion of the RuAF are engaging with local militia BARS units.

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Ukrainian UAV control point in the Sumy region is spotted by Russian scout drones and gets taken care of.

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Ukrainian mortar site within the building gets hit by FPV drones. Its crew has abandoned the spot before the strikes.

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Well preserved IMR left by the Ukrainians in Kursk. The Russians can find easy use of this.

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To clarify, more than 30 Gerans struck the Ukrainian air base at Kropyvyntskyi. Allegedly multiple hangers were destroyed or damaged. Railway infrastructure was also hit.

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Mi-28NM and Ka-52M deliver strikes on the Ukrainian columns along the Belgorod border. Vikhr missiles used.

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M1126 Stryker abandoned in Sudja, will be collected by the Russians.

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Geran-2 arrival in Slavyansk.

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More captures: M577, 2S1 Gvozdika, BTR-60B. The Gvozdika will be very useful, the BTR-60B is a museum piece. There's also a whole bunch of Maxxpros captured but it's getting redundant to show them.

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FAB-1500 (first video) and FAB-3000 (second video) strikes on AFU concentrations in Guyevo, Kursk region.

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Soldier30

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Rare footage of objective control of the use of the high-precision Russian 152-mm ZOF95 Krasnopol-M2 projectile in Ukraine. The location of the shooting is not reported. The projectiles are used by the Russian self-propelled gun 2S19 Msta-S. More information about the 3OF39M Krasnopol-M projectiles is in the link to the video in the comments to the video. Information about the ZOF95 Krasnopol-M2 projectiles is still classified. The ZOF95 Krasnopol-M2 projectiles were also developed for the latest 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV self-propelled guns; they use a laser seeker, which provides high accuracy. In this case, the Russian projectiles were used to strike a Ukrainian fortification unit located in a basement. Strikes at temporary deployment points of the Ukrainian army are also shown. Judging by the destruction at the site of the explosion, the hits were accurate.

 

Soldier30

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Rare and high-quality footage of a Russian Ka-52M helicopter using Vikhr-M guided missiles. The video was filmed on the border of Ukraine with the Belgorod region of Russia, near the village of Maryino. When Ukrainian equipment crossed the border, the Ka-52M helicopter destroyed an M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA infantry fighting vehicle and an unknown model of Ukrainian tank using a Vikhr-M missile. These missiles can also be used by the Mi-28NM helicopter.


Technical information about the Vikhr-M missile

The Vikhr anti-tank missile system was developed in the Soviet Union as an analogue of the American AGM-114 Hellfire ATGM. The serial modified version of the 9K121 Vikhr-M began to be delivered to the troops in 2015, the Vikhr-1 missile is equipped with a tandem charge that penetrates armor up to 1200 mm, at a range of up to 10,400 meters. The main purpose of the Russian Vikhr-M missile is to destroy armored vehicles, including those with active armor, as well as air targets at speeds of up to 800 km / h. The launch altitude of the missiles is up to 4,000 meters. The flight speed of the missile is more than 600 meters per second. Initially, the missiles were intended exclusively for Su-25 aircraft and Ka-52 helicopters, but now work is underway to adapt the Vikhr-M complex to the Mi-28NE and Mi-35P helicopters, as well as the Orion-E UAV.

 

Tam

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Hyacinth-B takes out a Ukrainian stronghold towards the Orekhiv sector.

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2S7M Malka pummeling Ukrainian positions towards Pokrovsk with it's giant 203mm shells. While it is shelling, a nearby Strela-10 pops a Ukrainian Leleka-100 UAV out of the sky.

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Also towards Pokrovsk, Molinya-2 kamekaze drones take out a Ukrainian fortified firing point.

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Supercam 350 discovered a take off point of Ukrainian UAVs. Russian artillery quickly took care of the point.

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Russian ground drone delivered two TM-62 mines to a Ukrainian dugout. We have been seeing more such deliveries lately.

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D-30 122mm howitzers of the Southern Group take out a Ukrainian deployment points and a UAV control point. D-30 howitzers are also busy with Group North in the Belgorod border playing a crucial part working on the Ukrainian offensive there. Despite it's age, maybe Russia should consider restarting "The Thirty's" production line once the Cold War stocks run out.

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Baba Yagas being intercepted by FPV drones over the Kharkhiv region.

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IMR being targeted by a Lancet near the Belgorod border.

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Ukrainian IMR abandoned in Kursk region, looking like a Bergepanzer.

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T-80BVM of the 40th Marine Brigade working on Ukrainian positions with direct fire from 700m to 1000m. South Donetsk. Essentially tank porn but tanks remain highly relevant despite drone dominance.

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M101 105mm howitzer of the AFU gets taken out in Dyleevka in the Bakhmut district.

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TOS strikes, one in Shakhtarsky and another in the Chasiv Yar area. There are a lot of TOS strikes these days.

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Russians pose near a destroyed M109 SPG.

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Two FAB strikes in Kherson region.

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defenceman

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Hi,
any of the F16 BLk 52 and above can be fly by NATO pilots, if USA
is willing to supply these jets and of cource when these been fly by
NATO very robust awacs and long range probably C7 kind of missiles
if not at least C5, so it was the Nod suppose to be bear by uncle SAM
which can bring more fruit for Ukrainian and we might have seen some
long range engagements or some dog fight heard between the two forces
I am sure if not on jib F16 pilots, but some recently retired can be worth
to pitch in the battle, though I think it’s already too late to have this kind of
authorisation for Ukraine
thank you
 
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