The War in the Ukraine

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Sinnavuuty

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Atomicfrog said:
They where in clear view and not widely spaced.... maybe too much confidence. They where spotted with a UAV and didn't react to it, no system to hunt it or too small ??? If spotted, better to pack stuff and get away in multiple direction if you are not able to down it..
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A lot of confidence and a lot of stupidity too. Whatever the reasons behind deploying an S-400 battery so close to the front line, it is wrong.
Stealthflanker said:
Has Ukraine been in such desperation that they lure Russia into nuclear response and hope NATO direct intervention ?
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In my opinion, that would be exactly the reason. The Ukrainians want the Russians to escalate by responding to these attacks on the early warning system with tactical nuclear weapons, all of NATO's recent rhetoric of going to war if Russia attacks with nuclear weapons are not trivial, they are a message.

See if the Russians will fall for it.
 
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Sinnavuuty said:
Storm Shadow are used for time-critical targets or strategic assets such as air bases. They are not appropriate missiles to be launched to attack operational maneuver groups on the line of contact or, in short, tactical targets such as those that the S-400 could be defending in this case, since the S-300 or any other short/medium range system could be doing this same task.
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They may want to intercept it on the way tho. also Mospyne is kinda near the Russian railway to Crimea.
 
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Stealthflanker

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Sinnavuuty said:
To perform this role, there was no need to position the S-400 so close to the front line.
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They kinda have to tho if they want to include Donetsk, remember the ABM envelope for the system is only 60 km. So does the detection and engagement range for Scalp type target.

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Sinnavuuty said:
To perform this role, there was no need to position the S-400 so close to the front line.
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Only thing I think about for putting them there, is for intercepting the carriers before they launch missiles but it's way too close indeed. Would not put airplanes and ships in Crimea but it look like they see these lost like a fair trade ?
 
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Ukrainian field ammo depot taken out with a precise strike.

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Another Ukrainian field ammo destroyed in the Kharkhiv region.

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Lancet strike on a Ukrainian transport while unloading supplies.

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Ukrainian Strela-10 AD system destroyed by a Krasnopol shot from the 200th Brigade.

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Airport in Zaporozhye hit by Russian strikes.

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Ukrainian bridge in Volchansk taken out with a precise missile strike.

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Ukrainian D-20 howitzer in the Kharkhiv direction gets hit with a Lancet from Group North.

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TOS continues to work non stop on Ukrainian positions in Chasiv Yar.

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Russian flag raised over Netailove.

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Russia produces ammunition three times faster than the collective West and four times less the cost. A 152mm shell will costs only about $1000 instead of $4000. Russia is expected to produce about 4.5 million shells. This according to Sky.

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Another attempt to attack a Voronezh-M radar gets shot down this time.

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Ukrainian T-64BV hit by Lancet in the Kharkhiv front.

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Cluster of RBK-500s cluster bombs hit Ukrainian positions in Niu York.

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Lancet takes out a Ukrainian Snov radar in the Kharkhiv region.

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Abrams tank hit by FPV drone, this time near Krasnogorovka.

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Russian FPV drones hit the sites of Ukrainian UAV operators. By the 238th in the Kurakhovsky direction.

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X-101 and X-555 missiles fly through the flak to arrive at Starokonstantinov at night.

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Russians advance through Krasnogorovka. There are instances where Russians occupy the first floor of a building and the Ukrainians the second.

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Compilation of Russian FPV drones striking at Ukrainian dugouts and shelters in a renewed offensive in Zaporozhye. Is it me or Russian FPV drones have much more explosive power lately?

 
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Tam said:
Ukrainian field ammo depot taken out with a precise strike.

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Another Ukrainian field ammo destroyed in the Kharkhiv region.

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Lancet strike on a Ukrainian transport while unloading supplies.

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Ukrainian Strela-10 AD system destroyed by a Krasnopol shot from the 200th Brigade.

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Airport in Zaporozhye hit by Russian strikes.

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Ukrainian bridge in Volchansk taken out with a precise missile strike.

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Ukrainian D-20 howitzer in the Kharkhiv direction gets hit with a Lancet from Group North.

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TOS continues to work non stop on Ukrainian positions in Chasiv Yar.

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Russian flag raised over Netailove.

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Russia produces ammunition three times faster than the collective West and four times less the cost. A 152mm shell will costs only about $1000 instead of $4000. Russia is expected to produce about 4.5 million shells. This according to Sky.

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Another attempt to attack a Voronezh-M radar gets shot down this time.

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Ukrainian T-64BV hit by Lancet in the Kharkhiv front.

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Cluster of RBK-500s cluster bombs hit Ukrainian positions in Niu York.

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Lancet takes out a Ukrainian Snov radar in the Kharkhiv region.

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Abrams tank hit by FPV drone, this time near Krasnogorovka.

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Russian FPV drones hit the sites of Ukrainian UAV operators. By the 238th in the Kurakhovsky direction.

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X-101 and X-555 missiles fly through the flak to arrive at Starokonstantinov at night.

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Russians advance through Krasnogorovka. There are instances where Russians occupy the first floor of a building and the Ukrainians the second.

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Compilation of Russian FPV drones striking at Ukrainian dugouts and shelters in a renewed offensive in Zaporozhye. Is it me or Russian FPV drones have much more explosive power lately?

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"There are instances where Russians occupy the first floor of a building and the Ukrainians the second."

Shades of Stalingrad.
 
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Proton said:
How does the Russian nuclear doctrine treat such strikes?
If it's just redundancy, then it shouldn't be serious But if it seriously cripples the early warning system, wouldn't Russia have to initiate an all out attack on the US/NATO when MAD/second strike capabilities are disabled/heavily reduced?
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This is included in the nuclear doctrine 19c

The question is which response and against whom.

Ukraine does not have capabilities to destroy Russia, so the hypothetical Russian response would not be directed at Ukraine
 
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Who is "they?" If you mean Ukraine then they have no redlines when it comes to attacking Russian targets. It's weird that Ukraine gets invaded and many seem to think Ukraine can go too far in attacking military targets in Russia. Invading has consequences and Russia is feeling them right now.


So you are saying Russia is a dying and cornered animal? If that is what you think it is by their own making.
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Your post does not make any sense.

1 - It’s blatantly demonstrated that Ukraine intended to attack and erase the 2 Donbass republics.
Open recognition of how they lie in Minsk agreements by Poroshenko, Merkel and Hollande. Increase in bombing of Donekts in x5 in the days before Russian invasion.

2 - Ukraine should care about Russian redlines not because they are Russian redlines but for their own interest.
Ukraine has suffered a very light war. Russia has always have the capability of erasing full Ukraine leadership and capabilities from the map.
The only thing that contains Russia is their consideration that Ukrainians are indeed manipulated Russians.
If not Ukraine could be Gazaized quickly.

3 - If you think that is Russia who is cornered I wonder what you smoke and in which year you live.
Russia is smashing Ukraine/NATO in the battlefield and their economy is growing while European economies are tanking
And this even without the appearance in the global ally of their big friend China.
Cornered and desperate is the West, since now it’s blatantly obvious that their chances of victory against Russia China are simply 0

For people like you and these absurd ego comments and analysis negating reality Western empire is decaying in the fastest speed of any empire in history.
 
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Santamaria said:
This is included in the nuclear doctrine 19c

The question is which response and against whom.

Ukraine does not have capabilities to destroy Russia, so the hypothetical Russian response would not be directed at Ukraine
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Not explicitly.

Well, if Russia sees Ukraine as a NATO/US proxy, then Russia should see attacks on it's early warning system as preparations for nuclear strikes by NATO/The US?
And if Russias second strike capabilities are crippled while NATO seem to be preparing strikes against it, the obvious course of action would be to launch strikes first?

I might be missing some nuances, but it seems like Ukraine - whether it acts on NATO behalf, or on its own - is priming the world for nuclear apocalypse.
What kind of redundancy does Russia have in terms of early warning, before things become critical and Russia loses deterrence and either has to initiate nuclear war - or hope NATO won't, despite these attacks indicating that it will?


I haven't seen either Western or Russian statements and propaganda properly dealing with these questions, indicating it's too serious for public discourse.
 
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