The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog

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Can't tell anything from that grainy sat pic.
Ukraine naval drone attacks have gone down because Russian navy are hiding their ships
The Russians can fire cruise missiles from the Mediterranean and hit targets anywhere in Ukraine if they wanted to. So why risk their fleet and place their large ships close to the Ukrainian coastline. They will go all the way to Abkhazia if necessary. If they were going to land marines and needed air cover from the frigates that would be one thing. But they aren't doing that.

Three more Karakurt class corvettes are supposed to enter service this year. Joining the one which did so last year. If anything the Russian Black Sea Fleet keeps increasing in power.
 

Tam

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Ukrainian positions near Ugledar getting FAB'ed by the 11th VKS Group.

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Air strike on a Ukrainian UAV control point in Zaporozhye, likely a LMUR.

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Ukrainian police station hit by artillery.

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The 11th Air Force Group lands an ODAB-1500 on the Yuzhnodonbasskaya-1 mine near Ugledar. There has to be a fortified bunker there to deserve such treatment.

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The VDV now at the outskirts of Chasiv Yar.

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Kharkhiv under attack once again,

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Ratibor and a whole bunch of 3000 Wagner commandos have joined the Akhmat special forces group.

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Greetings from Morozovsk, writes these bomber messages written on bombs about to be express delivered.

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Ukrainian deployment points and a radar tower hit by artillery across the border.

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M109 Paladin gets taken out by a Krasnopol shot.


BMP-3 in action against Ukrainian positions spraying them with 30mm and 100mm.


Despite being hidden, P-18 radar near Kharkhiv taken out by Lancet.

 

RottenPanzer

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How much do you think a structure like this costs?
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These are garage hangars. This hangar was designed to protect aircraft from the sun and rain and not from military attacks.
Furthermore, it allows greater comfort for the crew and ground staff during pre- and post-flight procedures. The aircraft were parked in the same location, but exposed to the elements, as were the personnel involved in the flight activity. Imagine having to solve a last-minute breakdown and the rain pouring in. Or changing a simple tire under the scorching sun. Aircraft without shelter from this type of hangar have even killed pilots. One of the causes of several accidents involving German F-104s was precisely the exposure of these planes to the elements.

Not to mention that it facilitates nighttime operations through artificial lighting. They should cost no more than US$5,000 each. You can add retaining walls to pieces for no more than $8,000 each. Russia could use to neutralize space reconnaissance through satellite images with which Ukraine massively supplies itself from the hundreds of them available.

In wars, modular hangars are used:
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Again, how much do you think a structure like this costs?

Both models of hangars basically serve to protect planes against sun and rain. They are not expensive (in fact they are very cheap) and can be redone easily, or you can simply put the planes out of them as they were until the end of the 80s - which seems to be the current Russian standard.

In fact, today not even dispersion is an absolute guarantee of survival. But even so, survival increases with the use of camouflage, which would be the essential point of using these types of hangars.

With the widespread use of radars with advanced air-to-surface function (synthetic aperture and moving target indicator), in addition to increased processing capacity, which allows automatic target identification, combined with the widespread use of target designation “cocoons” With multispectral capability, scattering is no longer as effective as it was in the past. Even the use of camouflaged coverings is no longer a guarantee of concealment. It is necessary to use sophisticated decoys (false targets) and coverings capable of neutralizing radiation in the IR and radar spectrum. The Swedes use bases embedded in mountains and dispersion on highways (they are useful there), all very well defended by anti-aircraft. The difference is that Ukraine doesn't even have the capacity to overcome any of these obstacles, all they can do are drone launches.

Both types of hangars are acceptable if they were on dispersion bases, even so they should have a minimum of anti-aircraft defense. The most important thing is deception against space surveillance.

Now, a very different resource are hangars for strategic bombers. These should receive at least a basic reinforcement, otherwise they would become easy targets for everything available, from cannons, rockets, fragmentation bombs, Napalm, general purpose bombs with proximity fuzes, drones, FAE, etc. Also, in addition to better hangars, there must be a minimum anti-aircraft defense, with radar surveillance, so that they can deny the enemy at least the use of weapons as basic as these drones.

These last hangars cost money but the first hangar models above do not, in fact, they are very cheap. If VKS doesn't have money, it would be better to close its doors. Just to give you an idea, with a strong wind, the first improvised/modular hangars, with those thin and weak pillars, a strong wind easily knocks them down or completely destroys them. What is interesting for the Russians is the way in which the geolocated position of the aircraft in the bases is hidden, preventing the recognition of how many aircraft are on the apron as well as preventing the assessment of damage after the attacks. It's a win-win solution and would cost almost nothing for a force that costs billions of dollars to operate.

Now, the best type of hangar is the underground one, with reasonable ballistic protection, it will always be superior to any surface hangar and makes it difficult to see, it is immune to secondary explosions/shrapnel and close fires (the enemy needs to hit the hangar squarely with a large explosive power), would soon need to be attacked with more modern weapons and get closer, giving greater chances of reaction.

I'm not in the construction business, an underground hangar with fire protection, air-conditioned, with suction pump against flooding and 1.5 meter thick reinforced concrete walls + steel and + access ramp of about 15 meters, I don't think so it would be over $800,000, but I hope someone with more information and experience than me will argue this point.
You underestimate the Bureaucratic decision makings and the potential cost inflating in a highly corruption base government
 

tank3487

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How much do you think a structure like this costs?
I suppose around the price of aircraft that would be destroyed after such structures would collapse under weight of snow and ice. Due to climate, building structures for aircraft do require a bit more of investment that you think.
 

Sinnavuuty

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I suppose around the price of aircraft that would be destroyed after such structures would collapse under weight of snow and ice. Due to climate, building structures for aircraft do require a bit more of investment that you think.
No, it's not. It's not even close to the price of an aircraft. They are very cheap. In present values today, it would cost something around US$2,000. Furthermore, it depends on how reinforced these structures are, if they are just structures against adverse climates, they don't even need to be so reinforced and the winter season has already come to an end. With Russia, your only concern is against space surveillance, in other words, there doesn't even need to be reinforced hangars, just modular ones are enough to neutralize NATO's satellite imagery support for Ukraine.
 

Sinnavuuty

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You underestimate the Bureaucratic decision makings and the potential cost inflating in a highly corruption base government
Yes, with one difference: A corrupt government currently at war with another country. If little has changed in military bureaucratic decision-making, it is a sign that Russia is deserving of all the setbacks it is suffering. I have no doubt that there are capable military personnel, but this lack of pro-active purpose will cost them dearly sooner or later.
 

Tam

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Ukrainians attack Belgorod with MLRS, causing damage on civilian areas.

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The Russians hit back, attacking two Ukrainian BM-27 Uragan MLRS near the Planeta Mall in Kharkhiv with Gerans...

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Ammo depot containing the Uragan rockets detonate under the Geran attack. The Planeta Mall is destroyed along with the two Ukrainian Uragan launchers.

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Scene from the ground where the two launchers and the mall storing their ammo were destroyed. To be exact, these are Bureviy launchers, a Czech version of the Uragan using a Czech Tatra chassis. Pieces of the rockets are found in the streets.

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MANPADS Verba from a soldier of the 98th VDV takes down a Leleka-100 in Chasiv Yar.

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How to clean an Su-34. Foam, shampoo, wax, demineralized water, and rub with microfiber.

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UAV operators training center in Kviv gets Kalibrated.

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Plants of the Ukrainian MIC and a concentration point gets hit by missile strikes.

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Ukrainian deployment point in Slavyansk hit by missile strikes.

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Missile strikes on Odessa.

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Ukrainian SPG hit by Lancet at night.

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98th VDV hits Ukrainian positions in Chasiv Yar with artillery.

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Satellite images of the Morozovsk air base from US satellite indicates little to no damage on the base.

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No damage to Engels and Yeisk air bases as well.

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Another Bradley captured in Berdychi and getting towed away.

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Interview with a gunner of the 305th Artillery Brigade relating an event where a Giatsint-S SPG takes out an M777 in a counterbattery duel.

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Soldier30

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The video shows an assault by a Russian unit, with the support of armored vehicles, on a stronghold of the Ukrainian army in the Novomikhailovka area. The video has been shortened, the dead Ukrainian soldiers are hidden. The Ukrainian army reportedly stormed the stronghold for two days afterwards, but was unable to retake it.

 

SolarWarden

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Another Russian armored assault hammered and stopped only this time they captured a tank with a "modern" jerry-rigged EW anti drone system that so far hasn't anti drone anything.

This has been a bad week for Russian forces they have lost a ton of men and armored vehicles which I can't post because of the many Russian dead it shows. Bakhmut and Avdiivka, the Russians are getting pounded as they try to advance from these towns. Madness.

All this happening with Ukraine short on men and ammo according to experts.
 
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