The War in the Ukraine

Temstar

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How did AFU hold Avdiivka for so long given how close it was to Donesk city centre?
1. Avdeevka is a heavily hardened fortress of a town built up over the last 8 years, one of the strongest hard point in Donbass

2. For the longest time it was just DPR troops on their own attacking with little support from Russian regular. In recent days VKS has been giving them much more support and we're seeing the result
 

Tam

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i wonder what impact avdeevka will have on bakhmut and vice versa. i can see the Russian MOD wanting to prove itself as a potent force after being essentially relegated to second tier in bakhmut, and then failing to take ugledar. but reorienting to avdeevka also means that Russian MOD might be inclined to take some resource away from wagner. of course in the end the real outcome russia is looking for certainly would be to take both cities, but i think avdeevka is much tougher than bakhmut to take, it is almost suspicious how easy it has been for the Russians in the past day lol.

Not much at all. Russian MIC has been scaling up production of weapons and munitions to meet the demands, and it now appears they are getting supplies from Iran.

Avdiivka offensive are done mostly by DPR volunteer forces, with Russian army and air support. DPR volunteer forces are second to none among the Russian armed forces, especially obtf Kaskad, obtf Sparta, obtf Somali and the 1st Slavyansk Brigade. They are also second to none when it comes to drone use, Kaskad is notorious for its Lancet attacks and artillery use, Sparta for quadcopter bombing of trenches. The force that sneak-krieged its way to southwest of Avdiivka is probably Sparta. While having the best of drones, for ground equipment they tend to be furnished with older equipment such as T-62s and a lot of trophy equipment taken from Ukrainians. One thing of note is that the DPR forces consist mainly of Russian speaking Ukrainians, and a good number of them are ex-AFU with an axe to grind.

Previously, Avdiivka is well fortified and the DPR doesn't have enough forces to take it, as they have been a semi-guerilla, semi-militia force. Now it appears they are heavily reinforced with regular Russian units and equipment. They might also have been carefully observing what Wagner is doing and I won't be surprised if there are ex-Wagnerians that have moved back to the DPR. The sneak-kriegs towards the northeast and southwest of Avdiivka, along with pinning attacks and a larger envelopment looking to cut off the supply routes seems like Wagnerian tactics.
 

Atomicfrog

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Another Stormer hit by a Lancet.


Alleged video from inside an Ukrainian Crotale hitting a UAV


Starting to see multiple accounts go "Avdiika is not important" as well.
If it take two to destroy a geran, a system like the crotale with 8 missiles can destroy 4 targets to a maximum of 8. A flight of Geran can empty the ammo for an entire region...You can cover a bigger surface with a missile system but the number of ammo is quite limited.

Destroying little quad drones is nonsense with these. We will see more automated small gun systems in the future for that kind of targets to protect infantry squad and vehicules. These suicide drones would become way less potent for harassing vehicules. Clearly a pain.
 

Stealthflanker

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Destroying little quad drones is nonsense with these. We will see more automated small gun systems in the future for that kind of targets to protect infantry squad and vehicules. These suicide drones would become way less potent for harassing vehicules. Clearly a pain.

I would love tho to see Russia to get more serious with their modern 57mm gun. giving it something like Smart fuze would be a great improvement over old Soviet era AZP-60. Giving it laser guided rounds and it can start sniping people shooting ATGM from Window.

I also feel it would be great CRAM weapon, save Pantsyr's missiles for some other targets.
 

Atomicfrog

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I would love tho to see Russia to get more serious with their modern 57mm gun. giving it something like Smart fuze would be a great improvement over old Soviet era AZP-60. Giving it laser guided rounds and it can start sniping people shooting ATGM from Window.

I also feel it would be great CRAM weapon, save Pantsyr's missiles for some other targets.
Something like Skyranger 35 is really great, but you cover way less than a missile system. To cover a column of vehicules, or an advanced post it's perfect. To protect a region you need so many of them. Bigger gun cover a bigger area but you need the sensor to follow that range. In Ukraine, the size of the front and the number of target would require multiple hundred of these. Costly as hell.

At infantry level against these little mortar dropping quad pest, a system with a .50 would be enough, maybe mounted on a vtt. Sure that we will see something appearing to cover these.


This one is a start, still big but near small enough to be towed with a vtt.
 
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Tam

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14th Artillery Brigade "Kalmius" hitting Ukrainian fortifications with Krasnopol.


Units of the Ukrainian 25th brigade under attack at Limansky. This looks to me possibly by Krasnopol.


155mm howitzer, I believe it's an M777, gets some love from a Lancet. Ukrainian troops safely flee the scene before the drone hit. Given the explosion, the piece must be a total write off.


Ukrainian D-30 howitzer also gets some attention from a Lancet.


This looks like a YPR-765 getting the business end of a Russian ATGM. Ukrainian troops managed to get out safely.


Urban renovation of Ugledar gets underway, with Russian artillery smashing one building after another.

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Atomicfrog

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Urban renovation of Ugledar gets underway, with Russian artillery smashing one building after another. The town has entered the meat grinder phase.

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Would have been better to start with that than trying to cross open fields with apc and getting busted...

Without cutting supplies and letting them wait months before surrending, the front will just advance in piles of rubbles and leveled towns all the way to the end. Lacks of troops clearly make that war a long dirty grinding.
 
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