The War in the Ukraine

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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So with the video, I have a few questions...

1. The propeller seems to be moving at about 40 turns per minute. Am I missing something? That doesn't sound like it could keep anything flying.

2. The camera does not show impact; it blacks out just before impact but seems to be fine again after. That indicates manipulation as I would expect a collision that takes out the camera to end in a violent jerk and I wouldn't think it would come back on. Is there any reason that it would actually look the way the released footage looked without manipulation?

3. Can something such as a chaffe or flare or jetwash bend a propeller? I would think the first 2 can if the propeller was going 1,500rpm but the video seems to show the propeller moving slower than most boat props for some reason.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
So with the video, I have a few questions...

1. The propeller seems to be moving at about 40 turns per minute. Am I missing something? That doesn't sound like it could keep anything flying.

2. The camera does not show impact; it blacks out just before impact but seems to be fine again after. That indicates manipulation as I would expect a collision that takes out the camera to end in a violent jerk and I wouldn't think it would come back on. Is there any reason that it would actually look the way the released footage looked without manipulation?

3. Can something such as a chaffe or flare or jetwash bend a propeller? I would think the first 2 can if the propeller was going 1,500rpm but the video seems to show the propeller moving slower than most boat props for some reason.

2 and 3 I would not even ask if it weren't the US, a country where politicians have competitions to see who can get the higher number of lies into a single sentence.
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Guaranteed the footage has been edited to create the impression of impact/damage. If you look at the before and after though, there's literally no change. This is what happens when an amateur in film (maybe some DOD intern?) is responsible for editing footage for propaganda purposes. They should have brought in a Hollywood consultant to do it.
 
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CMP said:
Guaranteed the footage has been edited to create the impression of impact/damage. If you look at the before and after though, there's literally no change. This is what happens when an amateur in film (maybe some DOD intern?) is responsible for editing footage for propaganda purposes. They should have brought in a Hollywood consultant to do it.
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Have you guys ever seen videos of helicopters with blades seemingly not spinning? This could be the same thing and it has to do with the frame rate of the video and how it matches up with the rpm’s of the prop.
 
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MarKoz81 said:
Sigh. Is there a point to making another explanation of basics if someone is unwilling to acknowledge them?

If Ukraine was not maintaining advantageous casualty ratio then it would lose strength at other portions of the front in a visible manner since it has a smaller pool of available resources compared to Russia. The only reason why Ukraine is able to maintain defensive lines is because Russia is in a bad position and Ukraine is exploiting this by being aggressive on a tactical scale whenever possible. You see Russia being constantly on the offensive but that's because Russia is like a heavyweight on its back and trying to get up while Ukraine is a middleweight that's in mount and trying to hold on.

Withdrawal from Bakhmut would be advantageous to Ukraine as currently Russians are operating from reinforced and defensive positions. Having captured Bakhmut any pursuit or continued attack would put them in the open where they would be more vulnerable than they are currently.

All the data that is necessary to draw the conclusion is publicly available. The ability to read the data is not. For that you have train yourself first. But it is all there. You only need time, will and discipline.
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This is backwards justification from a foregone conclusion using at best circumstantial evidence (and a lot of weasel words). This is not direct proof of Russians experiencing higher causalities than Ukrainians, which is not shared by Mr. Koffman, because he doesn't have any.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
So with the video, I have a few questions...

1. The propeller seems to be moving at about 40 turns per minute. Am I missing something? That doesn't sound like it could keep anything flying.

2. The camera does not show impact; it blacks out just before impact but seems to be fine again after. That indicates manipulation as I would expect a collision that takes out the camera to end in a violent jerk and I wouldn't think it would come back on. Is there any reason that it would actually look the way the released footage looked without manipulation?

3. Can something such as a chaffe or flare or jetwash bend a propeller? I would think the first 2 can if the propeller was going 1,500rpm but the video seems to show the propeller moving slower than most boat props for some reason.
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There is no "lost video feed", it is merely a cut video feed into a generic "signal lost" video effect applied by editing software.

I don't think anyone can dispute that what is shown does not show a legitimate loss of video feed. However, just because the footage was edited does not rule out the veracity of the footage.

What happened after the footage was cut is anyone's guess.
 
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