The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

DGBJCLAU

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... p. 43 :)

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Somehow link is 404ed. But I found this is the Brigadization of the PLA Air Force report I've previously downloaded (and it's still downloadable now, so I guess the url was changed).

This open-source work strikes me as both venerable and unsatisfactory. Apart from the sketchy numbers (for example the ridiculous J-10B number, the missing Su-27UBK number which should be easy to compile, among other things), it even has a few dozen grammatical and spelling mistakes... The J-7 numbers are probably far from accurate either, even if we apply a Feb. 2018 cap for available information.

The author is also on SNS (ex. Quora) and he seems to know his stuff, so I'm kind of surprised but in the meantime not very - because he's a strategic instead of tactical/air force guy. He did say somewhere that he was merely in charge of overseeing the work which came from a team though.

I wonder if anyone else here on SDF has anything to say about this work. Or maybe this question should be raised in some other thread?
 

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Somehow link is 404ed. But I found this is the Brigadization of the PLA Air Force report I've previously downloaded (and it's still downloadable now, so I guess the url was changed).

This open-source work strikes me as both venerable and unsatisfactory. Apart from the sketchy numbers (for example the ridiculous J-10B number, the missing Su-27UBK number which should be easy to compile, among other things), it even has a few dozen grammatical and spelling mistakes... The J-7 numbers are probably far from accurate either, even if we apply a Feb. 2018 cap for available information.

The author is also on SNS (ex. Quora) and he seems to know his stuff, so I'm kind of surprised but in the meantime not very - because he's a strategic instead of tactical/air force guy. He did say somewhere that he was merely in charge of overseeing the work which came from a team though.

I wonder if anyone else here on SDF has anything to say about this work. Or maybe this question should be raised in some other thread?

Indeed, it is still available here:

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I must admit I know Sid quite well from a number of discussions and we are in regular exchange of our considerations. So even I do not agree on any of his conclusion - exactly the ones you mentioned - I admire his knowledge and understanding, his ability to pit pieces together I most often forgot ...

Also, we usually publish in different ways and if you like to compare my numbers and thoughts on this topic, I might recommend this:

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, the WP-14 Kunlun is currently in use by JZ-8F. Over a billion yuan was invested into the project and over a hundred engines were manufactured. In the four years preceding February 2018, not a single incident occurred with the WP-14.

However, during the split of AECC from AVIC, the project was not continued beyond the completion of its production run.
 

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, the WP-14 Kunlun is currently in use by JZ-8F. Over a billion yuan was invested into the project and over a hundred engines were manufactured. In the four years preceding February 2018, not a single incident occurred with the WP-14.

However, during the split of AECC from AVIC, the project was not continued beyond the completion of its production run.

Hmmm ... that would be indeed a surprise? But why only in the JZ-8F?
 

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Well, turbojet engines are considered obsolete today because of their high fuel consumption.
The project likely made sense for China at the time. But not right now.
 

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“Comrades! Hopefully you are excited about your new replacement aircraft --- second hand J-8IIs!"

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5n8jW18.jpg


Why the sad face???
 

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“Comrades! Hopefully you are excited about your new replacement aircraft --- second hand J-8IIs!"

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5n8jW18.jpg


Why the sad face???

老将换老将 西部战区某旅从歼7成功改飞歼8 translated as "Veteran veteran, a brigade in the Western Theater, successfully changed from 歼7 to 歼8" which could fit to either the 97th, 99th, 18th, 110th or 112th Brigades.

Is there any additional info on a location given in that video?
 

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老将换老将 西部战区某旅从歼7成功改飞歼8 translated as "Veteran veteran, a brigade in the Western Theater, successfully changed from 歼7 to 歼8" which could fit to either the 97th, 99th, 18th, 110th or 112th Brigades.

Is there any additional info on a location given in that video?

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, only 18th (Lanzhou, J-7H), 97th (Urumqi, J-7E), and 99th Brigade (Urumqi, unspecified variant) fly J-7.

Considering J-7E is several years newer than J-7H, I am leaning on 18th Brigade.
 
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