The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

Drones have limitations that prevent them from taking the direct attack role, most are to light, there are issues of targeting and communications to. What has really killed direct replacements for such is first the cost, second increased attrition rates for such platforms, third increased availability of Attack Choppers, fourth reduced need thanks to advanced long range high accuracy antitank guided missiles. These have pushed to allow multirole fighters and light weight armed trainer class aircraft to take the mission set more and more.
The top 2 tank buster aircraft the A10 and SU25 have survived mostly because they have adapted to this and carry missiles and smart weapons with there cannons and rockets.

Why the A10 and Su25 were chosen to persevere is also because they have armor for better crew protection and the aircraft themselves were designed to be tougher and more survivable even with battle damage.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Why the A10 and Su25 were chosen to persevere is also because they have armor for better crew protection and the aircraft themselves were designed to be tougher and more survivable even with battle damage.
In combat the A10 took more damage and losses compared to F16 in the first Gulf war despite the fact that far more F16 were deployed and doing some of the same missions. This is because the Multirole fighter stands off out of ground fire with guided munitions well A10 comes in close to ground fire. Even if it can soak up damage, It's safer not to be in the firing range.
 
In combat the A10 took more damage and losses compared to F16 in the first Gulf war despite the fact that far more F16 were deployed and doing some of the same missions. This is because the Multirole fighter stands off out of ground fire with guided munitions well A10 comes in close to ground fire. Even if it can soak up damage, It's safer not to be in the firing range.

To clarify my point wasn't that these planes soldiered on because they were better vs multi-role fighters but better vs other ground attack aircraft.
 

thedrumm3rguy

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Hello!

Been trying to find out some info on older PLAAF types and really hit a brick wall :-( hoping someone has some information! :)

The q-5d seems to be a hard type to get some info on; has it been verified what the piece of equipment forward of the nosegear is? Looks like flir/photo recon equip or even for doppler navigation?

Conversly its nearly impossible to find cockpit photos of any type other than the base version! Im wonder if the q5 cockpit in BF4 has any basis in reality??

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kwaigonegin

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Hello!

Been trying to find out some info on older PLAAF types and really hit a brick wall :-( hoping someone has some information! :)

The q-5d seems to be a hard type to get some info on; has it been verified what the piece of equipment forward of the nosegear is? Looks like flir/photo recon equip or even for doppler navigation?

Conversly its nearly impossible to find cockpit photos of any type other than the base version! Im wonder if the q5 cockpit in BF4 has any basis in reality??

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Congrats on popping your cherry after a decade here! LOL
 

thedrumm3rguy

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Similar story for the j-7c/d: has anybody got anything more definitave for cockpit reference than these pics?

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thedrumm3rguy

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Congrats on popping your cherry after a decade here! LOL

LOL:p do i qualify for a prize of some sort? Hehe

Yea its been awhile since i was last really into chinese aviation - coming back to it is so strange, pics of latest types? No problem! Now old obsolete types...still a bit off mission!
 

Deino

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Hello!

Been trying to find out some info on older PLAAF types and really hit a brick wall :-( hoping someone has some information! :)

The q-5d seems to be a hard type to get some info on; has it been verified what the piece of equipment forward of the nosegear is? Looks like flir/photo recon equip or even for doppler navigation?

Conversly its nearly impossible to find cockpit photos of any type other than the base version! Im wonder if the q5 cockpit in BF4 has any basis in reality??

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First of all hello ... and second it is pure FAKE !

This is a Q-5 cockpit (to admit an older one but yours is at least IMO not one)

Q-5A cockpit.jpg

Similar story for the j-7c/d: has anybody got anything more definitave for cockpit reference than these pics?


And this is a J-7C cockpit:

J-7C cockpit.jpg
 

thedrumm3rguy

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Hey Deino! Long time, no see from arcforum days! :)

yea i suspected it might be a fake, but hey! call me hopeful ;)

yea I've seen that Q5 cockpit photo, and the PAF/BAF ones are pretty similar, with what looks like a mount for a radio


unfortunately, that's not a J-7C cockpit photo - the narrow nose and pitot boom (though probably a good guess as to the general layout)

6241883-L.jpg


here's a compilation of what i've pieced together so far:

J-%26%20differences-X2.png


for the 'Fantan' only thing else ive seen is some minor mods for the PAF/BAF(pictured):
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Deino

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Hey Deino! Long time, no see from arcforum days! :)

yea i suspected it might be a fake, but hey! call me hopeful ;)

yea I've seen that Q5 cockpit photo, and the PAF/BAF ones are pretty similar, with what looks like a mount for a radio


unfortunately, that's not a J-7C cockpit photo - the narrow nose and pitot boom (though probably a good guess as to the general layout)

6241883-L.jpg


here's a compilation of what i've pieced together so far:

J-%26%20differences-X2.png

Thanks for your reply, and wellcome back old mate ! ;)

Concerning my mistake you are indeed correct, it is most likely a JJ-7. These images were all from a series of some fine images showing several J-7C and D together with JJ-7/-7A.

However I added a few notes to your collage, where I think they are actualyl showing a J-7D.... and this might indeed have a different HUD to the J-7C.

To admit ... i never noticed and never took care about. So thanks a lot and I hope you keep this topic alive....

Best,
Deino

J-7C-D.jpg
 
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