The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

Miragedriver

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Making JL-9 in Guizhou Aviation Industry Group, 25, Feb. 2015

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Miragedriver

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I think we may have a winner as an F-5E equivalent

China’s FTC-2000 Upgraded
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During the 2012
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(Nov. 13-17) in Zhuhai, AVIC unveiled two models of the
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(Shanying) fighter trainer/attack aircraft. The FTC-2000 is an export variant of the Guizhou JL-9. The two models show that AVIC has made major improvements to the aircraft since 2001 when revelations surfaced that a development program was underway to replace the
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The original FTC-2000, according to the Zhuhai brochure, “can accomplish advanced training of the pilot, conversion training of the 3rd generation fighter and combat training of modified
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and
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series aircraft and possesses certain combat capability.”

However, the brochure of the new FTC-2000G (G=modified), adds reconnaissance capabilities to the list. It states the aircraft is a “light multi-purpose aircraft for meeting the demand of training task of fighter pilot as well as tasks of combat and attack in the international market. It has the characteristics of stable performance, strong function, low price, high benefit-ratio, and can accomplish medium/advanced training, tasks of combat and attack. And it can also fulfill combat area reconnaissance and attack impact evaluation with the reconnaissance pod suspended.”

“FTC-2000G appears the latest effort to keep the venerable J-7 (
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) design line alive and available for export to states with very limited defense budgets,” said
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, senior fellow for military aerospace, UK-based
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“I’ve never been impressed by the FTC-2000, in whatever variant,” said
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, a defense industry specialist at the Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies,
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, Singapore.

“It’s an old design (looks like the old Super-7), and getting older by the minute. Yeah, you can put recce pods on it and other things, and I suppose (as a two-seater) you could adapt it for air-to-ground missions,” Bitzinger said. “The Chinese have failed to secure any export sales for the
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(other than Pakistan, which coproduces it), and I have similar skepticism toward the FTC-2000.”

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A quick comparison of the technical data reveals the FTC-2000G has more hard points and is heavier, but now has a shorter endurance time


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Delta Dagger

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I was wrong in the first part. It should end 1969 not 1959. What happened is that the J-5 production was stopped in May 1959 temporary and then resumed in 1960.

As to the second part, I got the figure of 974 and 1983 from a Chinese website:
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. Like you said I need more research too
Dear Dongfeng:
I was wondering if you could tell me the external differences between the Soviet Mig.17 and the Chinese J-5/F-5, as can't seem to find any information dealing with the differences.
Bob Hanes - F-102A
 

Jeff Head

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Dear Dongfeng:

I was wondering if you could tell me the external differences between the Soviet Mig.17 and the Chinese J-5/F-5, as can't seem to find any information dealing with the differences.
Bob Hanes - F-102A
Good luck with that.

FYI, Dongfeng has not posted here on SD since 2009, five years ago, and the post you are responding to was from 2006, nine years ago.

As to the two aircraft, the Chinese license built the MiG-17. The PLAAF first obtained a number of Soviet-built MiG-17 day fighters, which they designated J-5 in the 1950s. The PLAAF obtained plans for the MiG-17F fighter in 1955, along with two completed pattern aircraft, 15 knockdown kits, and parts for ten aircraft. So, with the kits from Russia, the first Chinese-built MiG-17F produced by Shenyang made its initial flight in July 1956.

In 1961 plans for the MiG-17PF were obtained, and Chinese production of that aircraft began as the J-5A (F-5A). But this is when the split occurred between the Soviet Union and China the
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Chinese military industrial and technical projects were severely impacted. As a result, the first J-5A did not fly until 1964. A total of 767 J-5s and J-5As had been built when production ended in 1969.

The Chinese also produced a 2-seat version that they called the JJ-5. I believe that they produced over 1,000 of these into the mid 1980s.

Here's some of pics of the Mig-17 and the J-5 (also a JJ-5):


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Mig-17

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J-5

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M-17 in flight

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JJ-5 in flight

 
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PLAAF working on tactics that helped the J-8F achieve an 1:1 exchange ratio with the Su-30MK2 in a recent exercise. The J-8s used cloud cover and sunlight angle to gain an advantage on the far more capable and agile Su-30s. It is also certainly possible that the Su-30s were flown by less experienced pilots.

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 据央视报道,近日,北海舰队航空兵与东海舰队航空兵举行自由空战对抗演练。北海舰队出动疑似歼-8F战机,与东海舰队苏-30MK2战机对抗。

  演习中,苏-30MK2利用机动优势、近距导弹优势,率先近距抢攻,命中歼-8F;在后续战斗中,歼-8F利用云层、太阳角度进行规避,最终实现“战损比1比0或1比1”的战术目标。
 
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