The Kashmir conflict 2025.

neutralobserver said:

Yep, this is a great opportunity for Pakistan to fix the weaknesses found in the air defences. Its clear India won't use air force again as PAF clearly has the edge. So we need to improve our air defense.

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So here, Pakistan learned that its ground defenses and missile warfare could use improvement while India learned that its air force is totally outmatched. My bet is that Pakistan improves for the next conflict while India does not.

Pakistan will improve because China will be by its side guiding the process from analyzing the data to strong recommendations on what systems to buy and even tailoring some systems to be sold to Pakistan to specifically address what needs to be fixed. We won't even be looking to make money in whatever deals we make with Pakistan's military.

India, on the other hand, will outwardly start awarding medals so its citizens think nothing needs to be done. The IAF knows what happened; they will try to improve, and then they will give up after finding frustration because India basically doesn't have any friends like China, only a few Western vendors that will sell it overpriced crap to add insult to injury.

TaskDakota said:

Rafiqui Airbase has no visuals but journalists reportedly heard impacts.

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Here is one -

manqiangrexue said:

No, unfortunately, nothing about India's claims are believable because they banned foreign social media and they blacked out their own cities cities to prevent people from disclosing damage.

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There is no blackout in India. Some Twitter handles and news portals have been suspended. But nowhere close to filter out information. Telegram is fully available.

manqiangrexue said:

You're aware that Islamabad is the capital and that is the corresponding city to Delhi, right? Or is this some Indian style, "We hit a building in an empty field?? Oh shit! I can't believe we were so effective; that's like nuking the whole country!"

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Rawalpindi is the army GHQ. Unlike China or India, the ruling party doesn't run their country. The army does. So yeah, in subcon parlance, Rawalpindi == Delhi.

phrozenflame said:

Plenty of footage of various places burning in today morning's PK strike including airbases and weapons depos (including Brahmos).

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I have only seen one - Udhampur. Direct me if you have more. I am open to new information.

didklmyself said:

I am an Indian. This is pure BS. There have been reports of blackouts but ain't no way 70% of the power grid is paralyzed here, not even close.

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Both sides will boast and brag. One will say i destroy this much, and that much. In the end, i cannot confirm anything. But one thing i can confirm is 4 aircraft crashed in India and GOI is silent until today.

Sounds like this thing is pretty much over.

Now comes the business opportunities!


The single-engine, multirole aircraft flown by Pakistan's air force was involved in the shooting down of several Indian fighter jets this week, Pakistan's foreign minister said on Wednesday.

Some of the downed Indian aircraft included the French-made Rafale fighter, according to the Pakistan government's news agency.

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The Chinese-designed and manufactured jet could prove to be a game changer on the global arms market.

David Jordan, a senior lecturer in defence studies at King's College London, told Business Insider: "Think of the J-10C as roughly equivalent to a late-model F-16, but with some features — like its long-range missile suite — that could give it the edge in certain scenarios."

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By 2008, the upgraded J-10B had been given a redesigned intake to reduce radar visibility, the addition of a passive infrared search and track sensor, digital radar warning receivers, and a revamped cockpit featuring full-color multifunction displays and a wide-angle heads-up display.

It also brought in datalink systems, satellite comms, missile approach warnings, and tweaks to reduce radar signature even further. The fighter still has a Russian-made AL-31F engine, which is seen as a limiting factor, but more recent versions are reportedly testing the Chinese WS-10 engine.

The Pakistan-Indian conflict is one of the first times the jet has been used in live combat.

Chengdu Aircraft Company stock soared by more than a third this week on the Shenzhen stock market, suggesting investor confidence in the J-10C.

Jordan said: "You may well see a very viable competitor to Western products entering contests for the purchase of new fighter aircraft," added Jordan.

That could pose a challenge for Western defence manufacturers, he added.

Although the J-10C is not China's most advanced fighter — that distinction belongs to the fifth-generation stealth J-20 — it may well be the most commercially viable.

totenchan said:

Where is the evidence of involvement of Brahmos missiles?

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Debris from some of the impact sites like Jacobabad indicate Brahmos usage. Plus multiple Brahmos boosters were recovered today in the morning on the Indian side of the border.

N00B said:

Here is one -

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920962427216073070

There is no blackout in India. Some Twitter handles and news portals have been suspended. But nowhere close to filter out information. Telegram is fully available.



Rawalpindi is the army GHQ. Unlike China or India, the ruling party doesn't run their country. The army does. So yeah, in subcon parlance, Rawalpindi == Delhi.



I have only seen one - Udhampur. Direct me if you have more. I am open to new information.

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This is likely from Pindi, NASTP is not there.

Waiting for the big announcement from the top guy

N00B said:

Here is one -
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1920962427216073070

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Where is the evidence that an airbase was hit? What was the damage? That is evidence that an explosion occurred somewhere.

N00B said:

There is no blackout in India.

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Read title

N00B said:

Some Twitter handles and news portals have been suspended. But nowhere close to filter out information.

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Twitter claims the Indian government threatened the arrest of their staff in the country if they didn't suspend some 80,000 accounts. You didn't see this?

N00B said:

Telegram is fully available.

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So they decided that X was a security concern but Telegram isn't for some reason. Telegram is much less used than Twitter.

N00B said:

Rawalpindi is the army GHQ. Unlike China or India, the ruling party doesn't run their country. The army does. So yeah, in subcon parlance, Rawalpindi == Delhi.

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That's called spinning. That's like saying the president is fat and likes to eat so terrorists molotoving his favorite restaurant is the same as blowing up the White House.

Shams said:

and india is like "we want ceasefire, operation sindoor over"!!

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most useless operation ever. you know every single one of these Pahalgam attack terrorists are still alive. all this did is tickle the Hindu general public's ego which is quite easy to do.

GiantPanda said:

The fighter still has a Russian-made AL-31F engine, which is seen as a limiting factor, but more recent versions are reportedly testing the Chinese WS-10 engine.

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BI is so unprofessional. All J-10CP in Paki are equipped with WS-10B.