The Kashmir conflict 2025.

FriedButter said:

The “terror facilities” include an hydro electric dam.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919980516444418425

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I can't speak to this allegation in particular, but I can definitely see a targeting or intelligence analyst classifying a hydroelectric plant or an ancillary facility thereof as a terrorist compound of some variety, and therefore a legitimate target.

Assuming the Neelum Jhelum Hydropower Project in Muzaffarabad was indeed attacked, what's the BDA looking like?

Joliex10 said:

I just watched the entire 35 minutes Indian Army, Air force & Navy briefing. They did not say a word about any of their aircraft was shot down or crashed. Stop spreading misinformation.

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That does not sound good for the IAF at all, and likely means one of two scenarios, or possibly both:

Scenario #1 - The IAF has been unable to account for all of the aircraft it dispatched against Pakistan last night (i.e. the IAF is unsure if one or more loses are situated inside Pakistani rather than Indian controlled territory).

Scenario #2 - The IAF lost more airframes last night than it had expected and was prepared for, and it's still trying to figure out how to manage the narrative, and/or waiting for approval from higher-ups (i.e. Modi) to break the news.

Joliex10 said:

I said the indian social media confirms it. I never said i believed them did i? Thats why i said i want to know about about that case and want to see clearer videos/pictures, more contents of it. Pak said it's a rafale or mirrage 2000, india social media confirmed and swore it's a jf-17.

Right now i dont believe any side until i see more evidence.

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You can't hedge solid OSINT in Pakistan's favor with Indian BS claim, and claiming neither side believes.

That's not being fair and neutral, that's sophistry and bias.

Fatty said:

The only conclusion is that India is arrogant enough to believe that Pakistan won’t retaliate

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"The Nazi's entered this war on the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody and nobody was going to bomb them." - Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris.

T.C.P said:

All 4 confiremd crashes are on the Indian side of the border, how is Pakistan supposed to have phtysical evidence????

India has all 4 sites secured, the onus is on them to provide the evidence.

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Then either waiting for Indian government military officials to confirm it or clearer videos and photos of it released from India's side.

I'm not buying Pak's claim either. Im not taking sides here remember. Non bias

kkdy123 said:

can't be a JF, the engine is not RD33/93View attachment 151342

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Yet another just hatched. Moderators should consider limit the registration these few days.

Joliex10 said:

This one is very interesting and i'm desperately waiting for more clearer images and videos. Pak's side is claiming it's a rafale or mirrage 2000, wheras India's side is confirmed it is a JF-17 that was shot down by the Akash SAM

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Take this as a kind reminder and consider it as an advice: I can understand your skepticism, and I'm also someone who's generally rather critical of wild and, above all, emotional claims and only assumes facts when there's photographic evidence. But the evidence - in some cases, even I would now consider it proof - is now so clear that it's not just annoying, but downright embarrassing, to deny the losses and claim it was a PAF JF-17 since some Indian clams thsi BS!

So, yes, skepticism is appropriate given the many false reports and keyboard warring on both sides, but this nonsense and denial goes too far...

Joliex10 said:

I said the indian social media confirms it. I never said i believed them did i? Thats why i said i want to know about about that case and want to see clearer videos/pictures, more contents of it. Pak said it's a rafale or mirrage 2000, india social media confirmed and swore it's a jf-17.

Right now i dont believe any side until i see more evidence.

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lol, what do you think the word "confirm" means? Do you think Indian social media (which you only just mentioned) is capable of doing such a thing?

Joliex10 said:

I just watched the entire 35 minutes Indian Army, Air force & Navy briefing. They did not say a word about any of their aircraft was shot down or crashed. Stop spreading misinformation.

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Did you also watch Baghdad Bob and came to the conclusion that the Republic Guards were driving back the Coalition?

Still no sign of Pakistani loses, so the scoreboard is sitting at 4-0 or 5-0. Pretty unbelievable in modern air combat considering both sides has 4.5 gen

Joliex10 said:

Then either waiting for Indian government military officials to confirm it or clearer videos and photos of it released from India's side.

I'm not buying Pak's claim either. Im not taking sides here remember. Non bias

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You definitely sounded bias in your first few posts in this thread. Now you are backtracking