The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Randomuser

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If China’s strategy is to arm and elevate Pakistan as a credible counterweight to India, it may prove to be a masterstroke in indirect power projection. But arming a country is one thing, developing the institutional capacity to induct advanced systems and use them with strategic and tactical proficiency is entirely another. Many great powers have misjudged this distinction, backing allies who lacked the structure or skill to wield the tools handed to them. In Pakistan’s case, however, early results suggest that China may have found a partner capable not only of receiving modern platforms but of making them count.

The recent combat success of the J-10CE offers more than just a validation of Chinese military hardware; it reflects how effectively the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has absorbed, adapted, and operationalized these systems. This wasn’t simply a test of new jets, it was a demonstration of the PAF’s training, professionalism, and capacity to fight within a modern, network-centric environment.

The operation drew strength from well-trained pilots, a disciplined doctrinal framework, and real-time integration through systems like Link-16 and Link-17. These provided seamless data-sharing and situational awareness across the battlespace. Critical support came from the Erieye AEW&C, which managed the operational picture, while the Blinders squadron’s electronic warfare and deception tactics created additional tactical advantages.

What unfolded was not just a single platform’s success, but the functioning of an integrated, capable combat ecosystem. One that shows the difference between simply possessing technology and knowing how to use it to shape outcomes.
Giving other guys weapons is very easy. The west especially the US does it all the time. Yet it's mainly a huge waste coz the guys they backed simply lack the capability to use them properly. Just look all it's middle eastern governments it has backed that have gotten nowhere in terms of military.

People ask why does China have few to no "allies". Now I realize because it has a strict selection process before choosing who to invest in. North Korea and North Vietnam are easy options despite what some think because it has over 1000 years with both so it knows their capabilities. Pakistan however is more foreign and much newer so there's less to work with. Clearly somehow during their due diligence, China must have seen something to make them go, yeah we can trust these guys to do the job. So not only will we feel comfortable arming them but also feel comfortable training them to understand the full system.
 
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Black Wolf

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Giving other guys weapons is very easy. The west especially the US does it all the time. Yet it's mainly a huge waste coz the guys they backed simply lack the capability to use them properly. Just look all it's middle eastern governments it has backed that have gotten nowhere in terms of military.

People ask why does China have few to no "allies". Now I realize because it has a strict selection process before choosing who to invest in. North Korea and North Vietnam are easy options despite what some think because it has over 1000 years with both so it knows their capabilities. Pakistan however is more foreign and much newer so there's less to work with. Clearly somehow during their due diligence, China must have seen something to make them go, yeah we can trust these guys to do the job. So not only will we feel comfortable arming them but also feel comfortable training them to understand the full system.

Absolutely spot on and that’s the key distinction. Supplying weapon systems is easy. The real challenge lies in whether the recipient has the institutional strength, operational maturity, and strategic clarity to actually utilize those systems effectively. The U.S., for instance, has armed numerous partners yet many have failed to translate advanced capabilities into meaningful military effectiveness.

Pakistan, however, stands apart. The strength of Pakistan’s armed forces lies not just in acquiring modern weapon systems, but in their ability to induct, absorb, and integrate them from a wide range of sources. Whether from China, US, EU, or Turkey, Pakistan has consistently demonstrated the expertise needed to bring these systems together into a unified, network-centric operational structure. This ability to effectively combine weapon systems of diverse origin, not limited to a single supplier, is a rare and valuable capability that reflects high institutional competence, not just purchasing power.

The recent operational success involving Chinese-origin systems is just one example. It wasn’t about a single piece of equipment, it was a coordinated demonstration of data-linked operations, situational awareness, battle management, and electronic warfare under a capable command-and-control structure. This outcome was made possible by the integration of multiple systems from different suppliers & origins, working seamlessly within a cohesive framework. In short, it reflected an ecosystem, not just an asset.

This capability is likely a key reason why China chose to invest in Pakistan in a way it hasn’t with many others. Unlike long-standing partners such as North Korea or Vietnam, where centuries of familiarity inform policy, Pakistan was a relatively new strategic partner. Yet, China clearly recognized a force that wasn’t just willing to receive weapon systems, but capable of employing them effectively within a modern military doctrine.

Ironically, this very strength may explain the U.S.'s long-standing caution. Despite designating Pakistan a Major Non-NATO Ally, Washington has often withheld the full spectrum of advanced systems. Not because of doubts about Pakistan’s capabilities but perhaps precisely because of them. There’s an understanding that Pakistan’s armed forces possess the autonomy and expertise to deploy such systems independently, potentially in ways that don’t always align with U.S. strategic preferences.

In this context, it becomes clear: real military strength isn't in what a country owns, but in what it can do with what it owns.
 

Observer1

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I always wondered if China would take direct action against India. Turns out maybe they don't have to. If they train and arm Pakistan sufficiently, that alone will suffice.

The chapter is yet to be written but if victorious, it really is a stroke of genius. Arming a 200 million country to single handedly stop a 1.4 Billion one. With little track record to speak of too.

Assessing and picking allies or guy who do your job is a heavy skill too. Countless powers have fallen coz they misread a country and gave them a job they couldn't handle.
China's strategic policy has been smart. Do not directly confront India, that would be a major distraction, continue having Pakistan as a strategic ally, help it build up its conventional military capabilities by aiding it in training and exporting high-end equipment, and it will keep India busy.

In the mean time, quietly but rapidly scale up domestic manufacturing and operational capacity to build a world-class military across the board. Before India knows it, China will overwhelmingly overclass them (more so than it already does) and Pakistan itself will be a major road block.

And if in the future India tries something silly, it will be dominated.
 

CasualObserver

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Sorry that I'm late to the party but, Hakan Kılıç is just a typical, mediocre researcher, He doesn't have any background in military aviation. I used to appreciate his insights more when I knew less about military aviation and the defense industry. These days, in Turkish circles, he's considered a second-rate analyst at best.

Also, he shamelessly started lying about having insider information around three years ago. I seriously doubt he’s received any real intel from the Pakistanis; I’d wager he’s just exaggerating what he’s read while lurking on Defence.pk and presenting speculations in there as ‘insider info’...
 

siegecrossbow

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I was going through old PAF videos and came across this video (7 months old) of PAF Exercise with PLAAF


Major emphasis on long range (BVR) targeting with AWACS backing in this video. I think it's safe to assume whatever was learned and practiced in this exercise was applied on the 7th May.

@siegecrossbow

By Indus Shield 23 PAF was already well acquainted with the new mode of combat. Surprise came during Shaheen 2019 when a “fake” J-16D from Chongqing devastated JF-17/J-10/J-11B Red Force.
 
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