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Black Wolf

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Steve coped hard with the IAF went into the fight unprepared. IAF send 72 fighters into the fight attacking less than 10 targets. It is obvious majority of the planes were there to protect the ones that actually carried out the ground attack.
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Out of the 72 aircraft, 33 were Rafales according to a PAF spokesperson (with 3 out of service for maintenance). The remaining aircraft included MKIs, M2Ks, and MiG-29s.

On the Pakistan side, there were 40 fighters, with the main frontline aircraft being J-10CEs and JF-17 Block IIIs, supported by F-16s and JF-17 Block IIs.
 
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Next Generation Mobile Mission Control Centers (NG-MMCCs)

The NG-MMCCs served as critical components of Link-16/17 integration during recent engagements, playing a pivotal role in enabling effective Network-Centric Warfare for the Pakistan Armed Forces.

These mobile control centers significantly enhanced situational awareness, decision-making speed, and coordinated response capabilities across platforms.


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A PAF spokesperson mentioned that both J-10Cs and JF-17 Block-IIIs were airborne during the engagement and equipped with PL-15E missiles. Maybe what you’re referring to are the Block-IIs carrying 400AKG (Anti-ship Missile). Additionally, while HQ-9 has been cited in some reports, there’s no publicly available data confirming a direct HQ-9 engagement with the MKI.

Considering both the MKI and MiG-29 were reportedly in landing or recovery patterns; the exact circumstances and attributions remain open to interpretation.
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They were absolutely airborne and had different roles, undertook roles in A2A engagements too but no kills are attributed to JFs. And the pilots you see in the picture were specifically who downed aircrafts and undertook strike ops.
 
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kursed said:
They were absolutely airborne and had different roles, undertook roles in A2A engagements too but no kills are attributed to JFs. And the pilots you see in the picture were specifically who downed aircrafts and undertook strike ops.
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Thanks for your input, but there seem to be some contradictions in your claims. You initially mentioned that the JF-17s were loaded with 400AKG anti-ship missiles those are irrelevant to both A2A and A2G roles, especially in the context of this engagement.

Secondly, the image I posted clearly shows a JF-17 Block-III pilot along with another image where a JF-17 is visible in the background, which directly ties into the strike package.

I had also previously referenced the PAF spokesperson’s statement regarding the aircraft involved and their loadouts, yet you're not providing any verified or credible sources to support the claims you’re making.

Happy to have a fact-based discussion, but let's ensure we’re consistent and backing statements with reliable information.
 
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This imo is a pretty fair interview and I think this channel has always been pretty fair.
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Wait wait, the yale professor is saying that the 'TheHindu' was told by inside sources that the IAF was only given 2 targets to hit,
rest of the targets were given to the indian army to hit via drones and arty, because the rest of the targets were close to the border within 16-40 kms, esp near Kashmir side.
IAF ONLY HAD TWO TARGETS?

siegecrossbow said:
It’s funny how they didn’t even claim that there were air to air battles until Pakistan reported that six Indian jets were obliterated. It is almost as if they were reacting to something.
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There is a retired PAF officer (he is like the unofficial spox that media uses, PAF feeds him some info they want to spread out)
When Indian FM Jaishanker called 30mins after the Ops had end to tell Pakistani side that 'We only targeted non military sites'
It was then Pakistani side told them that we shot 'X number of your planes down' , which he didnt know at the time (IAF hadnt assessed yet/Had no idea)
 
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Screenshots from Caravan Article: Its an Indian Magazine, Same author as the one in Wired interview
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The Wire is a far more honest source than anything else from India but a lot of what they're quoting here is from the Indian military which has admitted to intentionally spreading low quality disinformation under the "info warfare" label.

It's extremely improbable that all losses were by Pakistani air defenses as we saw several PL-15E's littered over the Indian Punjab state where the Rafale crashed. It seems India believes blaming it on air defense is a good way to contain the embarrassment, but it's also contradictory because they've been mocking China's air defence systems as useless. So which is it, are they useless or did they strike down at least 3+ of your fighter jets including at least one Rafale?
 
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