The Kashmir conflict 2025.

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Mt1701d

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Temstar said:
If their people found out they suffered a defeat and wasted all that tax money on Rafale then they may do some soul searching and ask uncomfortable questions like what's the difference between India's society and China's society to result in such a big difference ala Xinhai Revolution and come up with dangerous ideas like "no caste system".

Narrative control is very important to their government for stability.
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I think you are giving them too much credit, soul searching probably wouldn’t happen. I think you are correct in that India gov need narrative control for stability, but not in fear of the people’s soul searching, when has that ever happen recently, but in fear of people doing stupid sh*t like laying the flag of Saudi Arabia and matching while stepping on it or just out right riots to escalate the conflict further, and have this whole thing devolve into an endless war.
 
hifisnow

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It is indeed the biggest illusion that if china can achieve something, anybody can do it. There is no magic in any of these missiles, the general idea is openly available for years. The final products are the culmination of china's electronic and chemical industry, and the army of workers behind them. This indian tendency to find shortcut to greatness is the reason why they lag behind so much......
 
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plawolf said:
I don’t think it’s a case of PAF pilots having the Indians cold and being ordered not to take the shot, think about it logically, how would that even work? In combat, pilots make split second life or death decisions. There is no time or room for back office commanders to intervene.

It is far more likely that rules of engagement were set during mission planning, and during combat, PAF pilots saw enemy aircraft they could go after, but the RoE forbids them from doing so. They requested permission and engage, but permission was denied.

There could be any number of possible scenarios, but the most likely would be geofencing, where PAF aircraft were orders not to go across the boarder. An obvious scenario would be that Indian strike packages had already gone cold and were burning for home by the time the PAF CAP arrived. If the PAF CAP perused the IAF jets into Indian controlled airspace, then they could have got shots off, but were ordered not to cross the LoC, so couldn’t engage.

That’s a totally reasonable and logical line for the PAF to take, both for political reasons, and also for practical reasons, as pursuing IAF jets into Indian territory will carry significantly higher risk for the PAF fighters, who could easily be shot down themselves by Indian SAMs or get ambushed and mobbed by Indian fighters.

It’s a credit to the professionalism of the PAF pilots that they follow orders and don’t go rogue trying to hunt for personal glory like that famous Indian flying tea connoisseur. His experience is a perfect counterpoint as to why trying to chase every last opportunity for a kill is not wise.
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According to Yankeesama’s talkshow the ROE for PAF was to not engage until Indians have fired their payload. Once they picked up small targets detaching Indian planes they had the go ahead to engage.

He also said that SCALP and Stormshadow were very hard to intercept for first timers. Pakistan AD still needs some work to adapt to such threats, just like the Russians did.
 
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